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I have a 29 gallon tank that i got just a couple of weeks ago. I got it as a present and it came with a filter and everything. My uncle put gold fish in it because he is the one who surprised me with it. Well i like the gold fish but i want to get into tropical fish. I have a heater, all i need to know now is what kind of tropical fish that look good but also are easy for someone so new like my self. He also bought me a bubble bar and i wanted to know if it was a good idea to use or not. Please anyone who has any additional advice on things other than what i asked please feel free to let me know. Thank you and i greatly appreciate it.
 
Well first things first, we need you to test your water and tell us all the stats (ph, hardness). Then you go to a site such as Liveaquaria.com and look at fish that fit your water. Are you thinking of fishless cycling or cycling with the goldfish? As for the bubble bar, that is fine. All it is doing is moving water and making gas exchange at the surface of the water. Some people don't like them because they don't make tanks look realistic.

Hope I helped.
 
hiya,

welcome to TFF and to fishkeeping :D

for starters I'm kind of glad your not wanting to kep the goldfish, they can actually get very big and would need a much bigger tank, howevere your 29g would make a lovely tropical community tank so I think your definately heading in the right direction. :good:

please forgive me if i'm telling you things you already know, but as i think your an absolute beginner i'll go through some of the basics with you.

the absolute first thing you should buy when your keeping fish is a water test kit, have you got one? If not I recommend the API FreshWtaer Master Test Kit, they're readily available, fairly cheap, easy to use and quite accurate (lots of test kits are awful!) :)

so if you've got a test kit tell us what your test results for ph, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are.

do you know anything about the nitrogen cycle and cycling a tank?

the absolute basics are your fish create ammonia in they're waste, this is toxic so it must be removed from the water, this is what your filter is for, there is nitrifying bacteria living in there who convert the ammonia into nitrite (also toxic) then to nitrate which is much safer, you keep this at a manageable level through doing water changes every week.

the main problem with new fishtanks is that the filter's don't come with the bacteria you need. they can't live out of water in the sponge on the shelf in the fish store, however they are all around us, and will relish the opportunity to grow and develop when they find a nice safe home (your filter) and a source of food (fishy waste). the problem starts becuase when you add fish to your tank you will have a very very small amount of bacteria, they take a while to grow and multiply to the point where they can eat all the waste from your fish. so for the first few weeks of putting fish in the tank the bacteria are growing and will struggle to keep up, so you get toxic levels of ammoni and nitrite in your tank, this can lead to death or disease.

in the past this was alwasy countered by putting in some very hardy fish at first and hoping that they would survive the toxic levels, then when the bacteria had built up after a few weeks you could add more sensitive fish. however this really wasn't very fair on the poor fish who had to start the tank off, I dread to think how many will have died. :-(

so in the last 3/4 years a new technque called fishless cycling has developed, this is where you add pure ammonia to the tank to grow the bacteria on until they are at a point they can handle the fishes waste, and then you add your fish when it's safe for them. this is detailed in a pinned topic here, have a read.

so that should tell you why the first thing you need is a test kit. if you don't know what level of ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate you have in your tank, you don't know if you have enough bacteria to keep the tank going or if you need to do anything else.

Now I know that's a fair bit to take in but it should be your starting point. so digest all that and let us know what your water test readings are, then we'll tell you what the next step is and what fish could be suitable for your tank.

:)
 
Miss Wiggle, that it is a most poetic and readable answer. You should write children's books. All I can add is to read all of the pinned posts at the top of this forum, the tropical chit chat one, the planted tanks one and also the section which covers the fish youve got.

:good:
 
Miss Wiggle, that it is a most poetic and readable answer. You should write children's books. All I can add is to read all of the pinned posts at the top of this forum, the tropical chit chat one, the planted tanks one and also the section which covers the fish youve got.

:good:


ha ha thanks :blush:

i know when i started learning about water chemistry i got confused as hell, still do now. so i try and make it easy to understand for newbies.

:)
 
Miss Wiggle i too must say that is the clearest and most informative way i have read that information after reading it a dozen times when i first started researching. Thank you for that. :good: I bought the same water test kit you told me to buy and these are my readings

Ph is 7.6
high range Ph is 7.4
nitrate 0 ppm
nitrite 0 ppm
ammonia is between .50 and 1 ppm

does this all sound right or is something off?
get back to me and again thank you for all the help so far
 
thankyou!

sorry if you already knew it, sometimes you just need to start from scratch!!

you don't need to do both the ph, and high range ph tests, just do the normal one unless you get the higest reading then this is your ph and you don't need to do anymore tests.
if you get the highest reading then do the high range and the reading on that is your ph.

ok, your getting a small ammonia reading which you shouldn't have really.

how long has the tank been set up for?
 
The tank has been set up for about 4 days now with about 20 gold fish, regular gravel at the bottom, with two fake plants. The tank came with a whisper 30 filter which i would like to change because my tank is already pretty cloudy. Let me know if you have any recommendations or if you think i should just keep the filter. Besides that i feed the fish two times a day with regular flake food. I used dechlorinated the water accordingly and i did throw in a pinch of salt because i heard it was good. Also i had a small out break of disease that i think is called ich where some of the fish had white blistering and i sadly had to get rid of 5 infected fish. That is another reason i threw in a little salt.

Those are all the details.
 
See if you can find out where your uncle bought the goldfish and contact them about returning them or exchanging them after your cycling is done and you want different fish. Even if you cannot get much credit for them, if they will take the fish back that is better than you trying to find new homes for them.

-Nerwign
 
OK, your tank is right at the beginning of your cycle, you've had problems and will have many many more, plus that tanks nowhere near big enough for 1 goldfish, let alone 20!

as you don't want to keep the goldfish anyway then the best thing to do is return them to the store then start doing a fishless cycle as detailed in this topic.

It will take a couple of weeks to cycle your tank in which time you can research and decide what fish you want then be ready for the by the time you've decided.

:)
 
How will i know when its ready? and what do you think about the filter situation?
 
o ok i got the answer for when ill know its ready from rereading the article.
One quick question are underwater plants hard to take care of cause they make the tank look great.
While im cycling should my heater be on?
 
o ok i got the answer for when ill know its ready from rereading the article.
One quick question are underwater plants hard to take care of cause they make the tank look great.
While im cycling should my heater be on?


yes your heater should be on while cycling.

now that's a big question regarding plants!

as with house/garden plants, some are easy, some much more difficult.

good news is you should be able to find some plants that will quite happily grow in your tank, but you need to be a little bit careful with your selection unless you go and get extra lighting, Co2 etc for your tank.

The best place to start researching is if you look in the plants and planted tanks section of this forum, there's a pinned topic on good easy plants to start with, have a look through that and take it from there.

:)
 
Is the filter i currently have good or should i go buy something better?
 
The tank has been set up for about 4 days now with about 20 gold fish, regular gravel at the bottom, with two fake plants. The tank came with a whisper 30 filter which i would like to change because my tank is already pretty cloudy. Let me know if you have any recommendations or if you think i should just keep the filter. Besides that i feed the fish two times a day with regular flake food. I used dechlorinated the water accordingly and i did throw in a pinch of salt because i heard it was good. Also i had a small out break of disease that i think is called ich where some of the fish had white blistering and i sadly had to get rid of 5 infected fish. That is another reason i threw in a little salt.

Those are all the details.

the cloudiness could be a bacterial bloom, nothing to worry about at this stage of a cycle.. its actually a good sign :)
the numbers on the whisper filters relat to the recommended tank size in gallons, so you should be ok there

what type of salt did you use? not sure about goldies and salt assuming they are ok, its gotta b aquarium salt and not table salt

you do seriously need to get rid of those fish though, i would also treat the tank with something like protozin to get rid of the ich

good luck
 

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