Two Victims Of Senseless Violence

[fish_fetish65]

This is SO going to end up in one of those should we fight bettas threads. Anyways, a lot of people fight bettas because that's basically all they're known for. TBH, that's what I knew bettas for. I didn't know they could flare or w.e until I started doing research. Sometimes, you can't really blame these people for fighting them because they just dont know which specific bettas are bred for fighting and which are the fancy ones that are just eye candy for betta lovers. And just a side note, please stop saying all this stuff about beating the **** out of whoever wants to fight bettas together or anything because its not like you people haven't done anything stupid or thoughtless in your life before. Beating people up is just like fighting bettas doesn't really make you any better.

i didn't say that. i said i would beat the tar out of anyone that came into the store i worked at and stuck two bettas together. if they want to take them home and fight them in the appropriate environment with the appropriate research, that's their business. but they should NOT come into a store and place bettas together that are not conditioned to fight in such a small cup/bowl!!!

 

[fuman_chica]

Wow, I really hope that they make it okay. That is so messed up that some stupid little punks would do that to them. I don't agree with betta fighting, but if it is going to be done, it needs to be done in the right conditions. And obviously the pet store is not the right place for it...especially in the tiny cups those poor fish come in.

RandomWiktor, I would appriciate it if you would let me know how these guys turn out. Abused bettas always have a place in my heart. I can't even fathem doing that to such beautiful fish.

And as for what Wisperian said: It seems to me you are the one that is always trying to turn threads into arguements. That is why I have been gone for a little while. I got tired of nearly every thread turning into a fight. Looks like things haven't changed.

 

[Wisperian]

And as for what Wisperian said: It seems to me you are the one that is always trying to turn threads into arguements. That is why I have been gone for a little while. I got tired of nearly every thread turning into a fight. Looks like things haven't changed.

Uh Hello? I was simply stating how a lot of people don't even know the difference between bettas made for fighting and ones that aren't. and how pathetic it is of people to keep stating they'll beat people up for putting a betta in with another one.

 

[fuman_chica]

and how pathetic it is of people to keep stating they'll beat people up for putting a betta in with another one.

If the people putting the bettas together in those tiny cups were old enough to know better and I felt I could take them (I hate how that sounds...but you get my point) I would try talking to them first and if that didn't work, I would show them why fighting bettas isn't good. When they were in pain in the end, I'd say, "Now you know how the poor fish feel."

And I know what you said, I read it.

 

[Wisperian]

and how pathetic it is of people to keep stating they'll beat people up for putting a betta in with another one.

If the people putting the bettas together in those tiny cups were old enough to know better and I felt I could take them (I hate how that sounds...but you get my point) I would try talking to them first and if that didn't work, I would show them why fighting bettas isn't good. When they were in pain in the end, I'd say, "Now you know how the poor fish feel."

And I know what you said, I read it.

And you would get into trouble for beating the person up anyways. Not saying that you can't tell people off for doing it but beating people up is just way too drastic. Can't you just tell the store manager or soomething? There are pathetic idiots out there that do think that 2 bettas can co-exist. The manager of the lfs near me thinks that a pair of bettas male and female can survive together in a densely planted 0.5g. I told him it was wrong but he wouldnt listen, so am I expected to beat him up for it?

 

[fuman_chica]

Obviouslly from what RandomWiktor said, the store manager there wouldn't do much. The person she talked to said it happens at least once a week. If they know that it is happening that often, they wouldn't just do nothing if they cared. They obviously don't really care that much.

 

[Wisperian]

Well, you could suggest something like putting covers on the cups and taping them or something and put them close to the employees. which Pet Habitat now does. Some people put dividers and barracks into tanks so people can't move them without getting a net.

 

[fuman_chica]

:stupid: just take out the stupid part. Cuz s/he's not stupid.

Those are some good ideas. They also need to put them on higher shelves. I don't know if anyone remembers a few weeks ago when I came on here and posted about the little snot-nosed kid I saw shaking up a betta in his little cup, but yeah...they need to be out of reach to little kids and if there are any "vertically challenged" adults who want to look at them, have a stool around so that they can look at them too.

 

[Wisperian]

I've been to places where they have like a display shelves set up but theres a glass cover with air holes thats locked so people can't touch them and they're only accessible from a staff only room.

 

[Rediahs]

If I had a betta shop, what I'd do is I'd have locked boxes with many many teeny tiny holes in the lid

 

[Wisperian]

If I had a betta shop, what I'd do is I'd have locked boxes with many many teeny tiny holes in the lid

But that'd get annoying what if they wanted like 20 bettas.

 

[RandomWiktor]

Wow, I really wish this would be locked before it gets any more annoying that it allready is.

Wisperian, if you had read the origional post carefully, you'd have noticed that I did talk to the manager, and he was fairly indifferent. You'd also notice that no where did I ever condone violence; I even agreed that it was a tad immature for everyone to be ranting about beating people up when really what they need is an education, or a ban from the store. How other posters choose to word their anger is up to them, and frankly you're taking them a little too literally. Don't tell me you've never gotten so mad at someone that you thought about how nice it would be to beat the daylights out of them; its just a manner of speaking to express anger. Yeesh.
As for people not knowing what type is OK to fight or not... it shouldn't matter. It isn't their fish, it is store property, and they absolutely should know if they have even half a brain cell that fighting the fish WILL result in them getting hurt. I do not see ignorance here; I see malicious intent to harm a living creature.
Also, the cups do have lids... its called taking the lid off and putting another betta in. Petco keeps lids on all of its fish cups, but it isn't like they're locked behind closed doors, and I strongly doubt it will become store policy any time soon. Petco is out to make money, not to protect animals; clearly, they don't think that losing a few bettas to fighting is worth the cost of making them safer. Considering the wide range of things I've had to complain to the manager and the head office about, and how little of it has changed, I'd say keeping bettas safe is a pipe dream when even big, expensive parrots aren't properly cared for.

Ungh... I can't believe a topic this friggen benign turned into yet another argument. Its a little disturbing how agressive everyone's gotten on this board since I've joined a year ago. Taking after our favorite fish, eh?

edit: Update on the boys, now that they're all settled and I can get a better look at them, the extent of the damage is... disturbing to say the least. The CT, in addition to a ton of tail and body damage, has both his gill plate AND the underlying gill ripped all raw and bloody; it was hard to tell last night because he was so pale. And the damage to the VT's head is worse than I thought, too. They're both hungry and active though, so I'm hoping they'll pull through. I am going to medicate though, because the wounds on the body make me very leery of infection, esp. on places like the gills.

 

[wuvmybetta]

I'll lock it for you Random. But it's a shame because I'm sure everyone is very interested in the updates involving your new rescues. I've read over the thread and it's not really that bad. I wouldn't dream of coming in here and locking your thread because of a petty arguement. If that were the case nearly 45% of the threads on TFF would be locked A healthy debate is good now and then. People are all different and they share different points of view. But I'm certain that overall we all love fish dearly and we'd never want to see harm brought to one of our finned friends.

With that said, fuman is right on the money when she says Wisperian steered the thread in this direction, whilst rolling eyes and assuming it was going to go in this direction But I also agree with Wisperian that violence towards another human doesn't really justify violent acts towards fish. I don't know.

Best wishes with your new fish! And if you decide that you want this thread re-opened, please just drop me a line.