Treating Ich W/inverts In Tank

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I have an outbreak of Ich and I am not sure how to treat the tank that has too many & too small of shrimp & snails to move. 

Tank size: 50 gallons
pH: 7.2
ammonia: 0 ppm
nitrite: 0 ppm
nitrate: 5-10 ppm
gH: 4 degrees
tank temp: 75 F

Fish Symptoms: Black neon tetras have white spots on fins and bodies; look like they are sprinkled in salt.  Other fish don't show any spots right now.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: weekly water changes at 40-50%
 
Chemical Additives: none

Tank inhabitants: 5 honey sunset gourami, 9 black neon tetras, 9 celestial pearl danios, cherry and blue shrimp, Malaysian trumpet snails

Because of the shrimp in the tank and the temperature limits of the danios, this is my plan:
1.  Removing the visibly infected fish to a hospital tank and treating them with medications
2.  Removing the danios to another tank and doing frequent water changes and just watching them or treating them with medications.  OR can the danios take a 82 degree F temp for a short time or will it kill them off when their max temp is suggested to be 75 degrees F?
3.  Keeping the main tank with the gouramis, shrimp and snails which can handle higher water temps and raising the temp to 82 F, treating with salt and daily 50%+ water changes and hope to kill the parasite in the water that way.
 
Please give opinions and advice!  Thanks!
 
Atsy said:
 
look like they are sprinkled in salt. 
 
 
Just my paranoia, have you checked out pictures of velvet? The word sprinkled always makes me think of that, although the description would fit with white spot as well.
 
Ich is an interesting beastie. In it's spot form there's not a great deal you can do about it. In it's free swimming stages it's susceptible. Temps above 85F for several days will kill it off, as will salt. Watch the oxygen levels at these temperatures, you'll need a good level of surface agitation and you'll need to go there slowly if you need to treat the danios. Remember that you need to clear all the ich, through it's life cycle, so it'll take a good few days, including after the spots have gone. I've heard answers between 3 and 10.
 
Salt, in various doses is often recommended, I suspect that your fish will be fine with it.
 
If you're using other chemicals, remember to take any carbon or purigen type products out of your filter.
 
As for water changes on the main tank, if your parameters are fine and the fish seem fine other than the neons then I would steer clear of the large water changes whilst treating, otherwise you'll end up dosing huge amounts.
 
A hospital tank is always a good idea.
 
DrRob said:
 
look like they are sprinkled in salt. 
 
 
Just my paranoia, have you checked out pictures of velvet? The word sprinkled always makes me think of that, although the description would fit with white spot as well.
 
Ich is an interesting beastie. In it's spot form there's not a great deal you can do about it. In it's free swimming stages it's susceptible. Temps above 85F for several days will kill it off, as will salt. Watch the oxygen levels at these temperatures, you'll need a good level of surface agitation and you'll need to go there slowly if you need to treat the danios. Remember that you need to clear all the ich, through it's life cycle, so it'll take a good few days, including after the spots have gone. I've heard answers between 3 and 10.
 
Salt, in various doses is often recommended, I suspect that your fish will be fine with it.
 
If you're using other chemicals, remember to take any carbon or purigen type products out of your filter.
 
As for water changes on the main tank, if your parameters are fine and the fish seem fine other than the neons then I would steer clear of the large water changes whilst treating, otherwise you'll end up dosing huge amounts.
 
A hospital tank is always a good idea.
I did look at Velvet, it is ich almost 99.9% sure. 
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  I will try to take photos but they are really small spots....
 
We pulled the tetras out and put in a hospital tank, dosed them with meds.
Also did a 60% water change on the main tank, have been slowly increasing the temp up.  Hopefully the danios will survive this (they don't show any signs of it yet) but we can't catch them w/o taking everything out since they are really really small and fast!  (Just getting the tetras was a challenge).  Plan on doing daily 50%+ water changes for a week to help suck out the free floating ich tomonts and theronts.
 
How do I find out if the current main tank occupants are ok with salt? (honey gourami, celestial pearl danios, cherry shrimp)  Also, I have seen almost 50/50 on the subject of salt, some places say to add it, it helps kill off the ich others say that it just makes it easier for the fish to breath since ich can causing breathing difficulties.  What is the answer?
 

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