Tiny Black Jumping Things!

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hi all again,im currently treating my 48 uk gallon tank for columnaris so i guess im used to losing a few fish now.But im wondering if anybody else has come across this one..........i found a pristella tetra in a bad state,he was all bent and couldnt swim he was hiding in my plants,i fished him out cos he was being attacked by my other various fish and put him in a hospital tank.i checked him in the morning yes he was dead but i noticed some tiny black things on the water.really small oval shaped with very small legs there were lots of them and some of them were kind of jumping around whilst the slightly larger ones were just still?? Just wondering what they are,ive done a search before posting this but cant seem to find much about them...Please help!
 
I will look the parasite up for you do they look like beatles, also was the spine bent on the fish.

Does it sound like these but not the author of this information.
Argulus is a crustacean or branchiurian aprasite most commonly encountered in ponds, but they are also found in aquaria. They are easily detected when they strike. They are greenish disc shaped organisms with suckers and small legs. They even have a pair of eye spots on the anterior end. They spend their time darting around in the water away from, and also directly on the fish. They lay their eggs in tubular structures on the glass and ornaments.
They can be very destructive to fish stocks.
They carry Aeromonas and other bacteria on their feeding stilletto and thus infect each fish they bite.
Treatment is by the application of the insect growth regulator, Dimilin, or Diflubenzuron.
Another method is more dangerous: Organophosphates like Trichlorfon, masoten, Dylox, Dipterex, FLAW, Malathion and Fenthion. Anchors Away is also an organophosphate. i resist the use of these, because losses may result. Dimilin is superior to these compounds when fighting Argulus.
 
hi wilder thanks for the quick response,yes the spine was bent on the fish and these things could of possibly been green although they would of had to have been dark green cos they almost looked black.they were a beetle shape but really really small,just about as big enough as ....erm....a zebra danio egg or summat like
 
The bent spine if fish tb, plus you have parasites in the tank and you need to medicate, what a nightmare, sorry, i will get you a link to fish tb.
 
I have these as well but they are white and skip about on the tanks surface. If you have surface agitation then that should be enough to get rid, they dont do any harm.
 
http://www.4qd.org/Aqua/disease/tb.html

Abit more info for you but not the author of it.
Argulus (a.k.a. Fish Lice)



Symptoms:

Infected fish will have flattened, disc-shaped crustaceans measuring between 0.4 and 1.2 cm in diameter. These parasites may be visible anywhere on the body of the fish, including the eyes, gills and fins.



Cause:

The parasitic crustacean Argulus (a.k.a. Fish Lice). Argulus adhere to the flesh by means of sucker-type discs. Once attached, the parasite pierces the flesh using stinger mouthparts and will suck the blood of the fish. Argulus inject a toxin that will kill smaller fish and leaves reddened, inflamed lesions on larger fish. This lesion often becomes infected. The intense irritation brought on by the Argulus parasite causes fish to rub or scrape against objects in the aquarium. Your fish may even try to jump out of the aquarium. Once the parasite has finished feeding it will swim freely in search of a new host and can survive for up to 3 weeks without a host.



Treatment:

Visible Lice should first be killed by dabbing them with Potassium Permanganate or an anti-parasitic medication. Then, they should be carefully removed from the fish using tweezers. It is paramount that you kill the parasite before attempting to remove it from the fish. It will make it easier to remove and less stressful to the fish. It is a good idea to then dab Methylene Blue on the lesions to prevent secondary infections. It is recommended that you feed your fish medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection from occurring. The whole aquarium will need to be treated to kill any unseen, free-swimming juvenile parasites. Fluke Tabs, Clout, Paragon, and Trifon work great.
 
these were on the tanks surface to,ive never seen anymore since them,i just cant understand why im having all these probs at mo,i do regular water changes and keep the nitrates and nitrites also ammonia to 0 ppm,i also give them live or frozen foods twice weekly,im lost at mo :( not happy
 
Parasites can cause alot of damage as most nasty parasites like flukes have bacteria on the suckers and once they pierce the skin that's when the bacteria invades them off the suckers.
 
ive changed my columnaris med aswell,im currently using protozin by waterlife,which states this can also kill parasites and crustacians
 
Here is an article for you to read as some parasites can cause fish tb.Not the author of this information.
Microsporidiosis

Neural microsporidiosis in zebrafish was first reported in 1980 in France (de Kinkelin 1980). The parasite has now been identified in zebrafish at many research and commercial facilities, and was recently assigned to a new genus and species, Pseudoloma neurophilia by Matthews et al. (2001). The infection appears to be linked to severe emaciation (often referred to as ‘skinny disease’), but its precise role (primary cause or secondary opportunist) has yet to be resolved. The infection is also found routinely in normal, healthy appearing fish. In a preliminary prevalence study at the University of Oregon Huestis Hall facility, 97% (29/30) of "skinny" fish and 30% (10/30) of normal, healthy appearing adult fish have microsporidial spores detectable by wet mounts of dissected spinal cords, and the former had heavier infections.

Microsporidia are obligate intracellular parasites with a complicated life cycle. The life cycle concludes with the production of an infectious and resistant spore, which is the only stage of the parasite that can live outside of the host cell. With most microsporidia, transmission occurs via the ingestion of the infective spore stage, and we have found the infection in exposed fish as soon as 8 wk after feeding infected tissues. There have also been reports of vertical transmission in other microsporidia of both vertebrates and invertebrates (Bandi et al. 2001; Dunn et al. 2001). We detect the spores of Pseudoloma in the ovaries and within eggs of zebrafish, and the role of vertical transmission of Pseudoloma in the spread of the infection is currently under investigation in our laboratory. Enhanced methods for diagnosis and treatment of the infection, and the link between the microsporidian and skinny disease are also topics that we are studying.

Clinical Disease and Gross Pathology. Emaciation and spinal curvature, such as scoliosis, are common in infected fish.

Microscopy. The primary site of infection is the central nervous system (spinal cord and hindbrain). Spores and associated inflammation are also noted occasionally in the skeletal muscle surrounding vertebrae and ventral nerve roots.


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Clinical signs of microsporidosis.
A. emaciation ("skinny disease")

and

B. scoliosis.


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Pseudoloma from brain. Giemsa stain
A. and wet mount with Nomarski’s optics

B. Bar = 10 ìm.


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Pseudoloma in histological sections.
A. Sagittal section showing spinal cord. X = xenomas in spinal cord. Xenomas also occur in ventral nerve roots (arrows) with associated inflammation (In).

B. High magnification of xenomas in spinal cord.


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Pseudoloma in histological sections – other sites of infection.
A. Low magnification showing inflammation in skeletal muscle. Bar = 100 ìm.

B. High magnification of muscle showing spores (arrows) in phagocyte.

C. Egg filled with Pseudoloma spores (X).


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Fungi-Fluor stained histological sections.

A. Low magnification showing numerous spores (stained blue with DAPI filter) in spinal cord xenomas (arrow).

B. High magnification of spores (S) in ovaries.


Diagnosis. The infection can be detected in wet mounts of the central nervous system that have been carefully dissected from infected fish. Because this is tedious and laborious, histology is the routine method by which the infection is observed. Spores are ovoid to pyriform, with a prominent posterior vacuole, and average 5.4 x 2.7 Fm. The microsporidium produces xenomas within the spinal cord and hindbrain of fish, and xenomas contain sporophorous vesicles with up to 16 spores. Sporoblasts and presporoblast stages (probably sporonts) are found rarely in small aggregates dispersed randomly throughout xenomas. Fungi-Fluor (Polysciences, Warrington, PA fluorescent stain binds nonspecifically to beta-linked polysaccharides found in cells containing chitin. As chitin occurs in spore walls of microsporidia, this stain is excellent for demonstrating spores in either tissue smears or histological sections. Weber et al. (1999) describes a related stain (Calcofluor) and other staining techniques for the identification of microsporidia.

Control and Treatment. Fumagillin has been widely used as an oral treatment for fish microsporidosis, usually with good success (see review by Shaw and Kent 1999). Fumagillin was first developed for treating Nosema apis infections in honey bees. Kano et al. (1982) reported that fumagillin was effective against the microsporidium H. anguillarum in eels (Anguilla japonica). Since this first report on treating microsporidiosis in fish with fumagillin, the drug has been used to treat N. salmonis infections in chinook salmon (Hedrick et al. 1991) and Loma salmonae infections in chinook salmon (Kent and Dawe 1994). However, this has not been tested with zebrafish microsporidiosis. The best method for control as this time is to remove and euthanize all emaciated and moribund fish as soon as possible to prevent cannibalism and further transmission.

Microsporidian spores may be resistant to disinfectants (Shaw et al. 1999), and at present it is not known if the levels of chlorine routinely used to surface disinfect eggs (chlorine 25 ppm for 5 min) will kill the spores. Moreover, we have observed eggs filled spores of Pseudoloma. The spores within intact eggs could be protected from chlorine, even if this concentration is effective for killing spores. It is recommended that all nonviable, unfertilized eggs be removed prior to the bleaching procedure.
 
Heres a picture of one that looks like what your describing

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there a bit more beetle shaped than the pic,i honestly cant think of anything else that can desribe them! Ive been using Waterlife Protozin for 2 weeks and not seen any since!! Fingers crossed there gone now!! :)
 

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