Switching Over To Led's

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Gavin3171

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I currently have a 15w bayonet capped household bulb in the lid/hood. What can i use to convert to LED? Should i be incorporating Blue LED's too as ive seen some ready made kits have strips of white LED's with a few blues scattered about.

Is there a certain brightness of LED i should use and also shouldnt use.

Hope that makes sense.
 
My suggestion would be to check out the Arcadia Eco-LED light systems. They are expensive on initial cost but they are very energy efficient and work well in both non planted and planted tanks with a good warranty. Everything needed to just plug and go is included. If you want to fit to the top of tank rather than hood then there are some brackets available also.

Personally I wouldn't go for LED light strips that need you to fit your own transformer and switch as they can be a pain, are not rated for aquariums and often poor quality. I have used them before and were fine on my little Fluval Edge but for any larger tank I would rather buy from an actual aquatic company.

If you would like any further info let me know.

Kind Regards,

Adam
 
Thanks for your response. I will have a look around.

I like being able to do things myself but if there are better kits pre-made i will step aside

Just been having a look about. They are very expensive kits!
 
Yeah it would work out around double the cost compared to a DIY kit by the time you include transformer, LED's, Switch, Plug but as said it a pre-made unit that has a warranty and backed up by a reputable supplier.

The cost compared to T8 or T5 bulbs even means they work out around 5x the cost of a bulb but that doesn't include a standard light bar with the electronics and in comparison works out reasonable especially with the amount of energy and lifespan of the LED kits.

Kind Regards,

Adam
 
Yeah it would work out around double the cost compared to a DIY kit by the time you include transformer, LED's, Switch, Plug but as said it a pre-made unit that has a warranty and backed up by a reputable supplier.

The cost compared to T8 or T5 bulbs even means they work out around 5x the cost of a bulb but that doesn't include a standard light bar with the electronics and in comparison works out reasonable especially with the amount of energy and lifespan of the LED kits.

Kind Regards,

Adam

I cant even find a light bar for my tank! its a aqua 20L i think My link here

The energy saver bulb that came with it is very dim!
 
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My suggestion would be to check out the Arcadia Eco-LED light systems. They are expensive on initial cost but they are very energy efficient and work well in both non planted and planted tanks with a good warranty. Everything needed to just plug and go is included. If you want to fit to the top of tank rather than hood then there are some brackets available also.

Personally I wouldn't go for LED light strips that need you to fit your own transformer and switch as they can be a pain, are not rated for aquariums and often poor quality. I have used them before and were fine on my little Fluval Edge but for any larger tank I would rather buy from an actual aquatic company.

I've long disagreed with this statement. putting LEDs in a linear formation defeats the object and eliminates much of their advantage. Whilst reputable companies may well offer a warranty but like the majority of the retail / manufacturing market they are backed with swathes of marketing spiel which is taken out of context and plays upon incorrect beliefs. The6y take the efficiency of an LED then disregard the fact that they could achieve even better efficiency by not using a linear formation and spacing them out. Better spread means you can use less W. This reduction is lost on the linear forms. They are playing the same game they did with the CF lights and then T5HO where they take the figure then use it in way that is not applicable to how they have set it up. The consumer is then convinced that the latest technology is awesome and so they want it and believe the figures and statements given apply to the product that they are buying.

The truth of the matter is that a well spaced out retail or DIY luminaire will 'blitz' any linear LED formation. The 'tube' LED will not outperform flouro by that much in comparison to the spaced out luminaires because whilst the LEDs themselves will out perform flouro W for W the way they are lined up all together means that yoiu have the same problem as with flouros in that they put out intense light in a line and therefore you need to space the tubes out well. even then you end up getting hotspots which was/is a huge problem with T5HO.

By concentrating on the 'aesthetic' of a nice tube and the familiarity/ease for the consumer of a simple 'swap' in their existing unit you have to use more wattage to get that even spread.

My opinion. Buy retail or DIY but if you are upgrading at high initial cost compared to flouro then you may as well make full use of that technology and use it to vastly reduce your energy consumption and achieve a consistent spread front to back and side to side.

DIY of LED's however is not for the faint hearted. It isn't hard to do but where flouro is simply a case of clip power cable into ballast, clip end caps into ballast put tube in end caps, job done, LEDs are DC and require drivers for each series, the correct voltage into the unit, heatsinking, ventilation etc. Not rocket science and plenty of info out ther, just a little more technical.

Andy
 
I am not a good DIY, and to be honest afraid of electricity. So, I am interested in buying an existing LED lighting unit. Most of these come with brackets and you don't have the possibility to vary the height of the lights. What about heat production? Is it true that in summer times you would need a fan to cool your water?

For your info: Montreal gets easily up to 35 degrees in the months from June - August.
 
I am not a good DIY, and to be honest afraid of electricity. So, I am interested in buying an existing LED lighting unit. Most of these come with brackets and you don't have the possibility to vary the height of the lights. What about heat production? Is it true that in summer times you would need a fan to cool your water?

For your info: Montreal gets easily up to 35 degrees in the months from June - August.

There are well spaced retail LED luminaires out there however they are designed for reef and far too powerful in reality for planted. They are also expensive because they are much more powerful units designed for marine/reef setups. 4-5x or more powerful than we need.

What I would sugget is where you have linked to 2 luminaires in your other thread that it would be best to ignore the ones that make the same mistake as the flouro luminaires. If you have to use retail setups then try and buy 2 or 3 single linear ones. By that I mean you can then space them out as you would with a DIY luminaire where you have 2 or 3 rows of LEDs.

The ones you linked to have basically taken the flouro luminaires which were designed with 'aesthetics' in mind rather than efficiency as they made them slimmer and slimmer and the tubes got closer and closer together.

If you had to choose from the 2 you linked to I would go for the one that has 12 x 1W. The one that has 0.06W in as well seems to me to be a gimmick. Those 0.06W ones should not be counted as anything more than effect........nightlights etc. They will make no addition to the overall photoperiod light.

Don't know if there are any out there but if you could find a luminaire that has 6 x 1W or 3 x 3W LED in a single line then I would buy 2 or 3 of those rather than 1 unit with the same LED but 'squeezed' into a slim unit which only sits over the centre of the tank.

A DIY one for your tank should only cost in the region of $120 to make. I would think there would be someone about in Canada who could help you. maybe on bcaquaria.com forum?

As for the heat issue, that is overstated. These LEDs get red hot. miles hotter than MH even but that is to be expected. They are pushing so much poower through a tiny area that they will get hot, however I would suggest that when you take the heat created over the area of the tank then it is actually less than the flouros. They burn your fingers without heatsinking purely because all the heat is concentrate in a 2-3mm are instead of being spread around a 2cm diam and long tube.

So they are much hotter to touch however when heatsinked they draw the heat away from the tank. upward. Flourescents with reflectors are pushing heat downwards, add on the ballast which gets hot too.

I have fans fitted in mine but haven't used them for the past 2 years. The vents in the side work well enough without needing the fans drawing air through the unit. (My LED luminaire was 3 years old in November and still going with no probs.)

If you can wait for the summer here is a proposition. I am making a new one for myself in the summer and I could lead you through the whole process. I don't like to put everything into my website as it would be unneeded waffle for most but I can give you precise details of what I do. Another option could be that if you are able to make the box for them to sit in with 2cm holes for the LED lenses I can do the electrics for you and post over to Canada.

Quite simple to make a box and then use a 20cm drill bit to cut the holes, then the lenses fit into these holes and you can then just clip the LED with heatsink attached onto the back of the lenses. They are quite literally 'pushfit'.

The final option is the LED strips. These are pretty cool and I already make these for backlighting however I am going to trial them as mainlights on a tank. Everybody suggests they won't work for plants however I'm not as sure of that. These can simply be stuck on the inside of a 'tank lid' and are relatively cheap. Won't know if I can contradict the doubters on that one until I've tried it though which will take a few months so that would wait until the end of the year :)

Andy
 
well out of curiosity i purchased a set of LED strip lights meant for cars. Its the one that replace the fog lights. 6 x single SMD leds.

Just like this one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260953436541?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_4067wt_936

With a dc power supply to run them at 12v.

I may not be able to use these as full time tank lights but maybe night lights so we will see what the outcome is. Pictures and a write up to follow.

If they aren't that powerful i will swap them all over to blue LED's for the moonlight look
 
I may not be able to use these as full time tank lights but maybe night lights so we will see what the outcome is. Pictures and a write up to follow.

This is a good way of going with these kind of low power LEDs. I am trialling SMD 5050 ones at the moment to see if they work. I've actually said they wouldn't work many times but now I am wanting to see if I am right or wrong. lol
 
Well even my iphone torch can illuminate the tank with a light glow in a pitch black room. LOL. So i will see how it goes. Just waiting for the item now as its expected 15-19 march!!! Bloomin second class post!
 

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