Sudden Death Syndrome

bought a new heater today :)

question though: how long shall i wait with this med in water before doing more water changes?
or should i still be doing small changes each night

thanks
 
Hi andyt_uk :)

It's good to see you back on TFF, but I'm sorry about the circumstances that have brought you here. :/

I too think it's best to treat your fish with medication for a bacterial infection. Septicemia is bacterial and its often the end result of a problem that might not have been apparent in its early stages. Nipped looking fins and sudden deaths could also indicate that a bacterial infection is going on.

The overall picture leads me to believe that a situation developed that led to a weakening of your fish's immune systems which made it easy for harmful bacteria to take hold once they were introduced to your tank by the new fish. Had they been stronger, they may have been fine with it.

Various factors can stress fish and lower their immune systems. Among these are inadequate and/or infrequent water changes, low oxygen levels in the water, temperature fluctuations (especially fast warm ups), uneaten food in the tank, aggressive tankmates, high nitrates or nitrites, overcrowding, etc. The fact that your fish had recently been sick with another disease would be another stress to their systems that they might not have completely recovered from. Keeping fish at a higher temperature than normal for an extended period would also deplete the oxygen in your water and weaken the fish.

First, it's important to get your substrate cleaned up and the nitrates reduced. If your tap water is naturally high in nitrates, this is apt to take a number of big water changes over the next few days. Don't worry about the medicine; just replace what you removed. It will also add oxygen to the water, but if you think it's indicated, add an extra airstone during their treatment to be sure.

If you do those things and reduce the temperature to no higher than 25 degrees C., you will have done a lot to make the environment less hospitable for the harmful bacteria to survive and reproduce, which will make it easier for the fish to recover.

Here's a link to a thread about Old Tank Syndrome. It might or might not have anything to with your current problems, but since your tank has been set up for a while now, it's something you should be aware of.

http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html

I hope your fish recover soon and look forward to seeing you around the forum again. :D
 
Hi andyt_uk :)

It's good to see you back on TFF, but I'm sorry about the circumstances that have brought you here. :/

thanks good to hear from you too

First, it's important to get your substrate cleaned up and the nitrates reduced.

yup - bought a new gravel vac today too, with a proper vac end rather than the tube i had previously used

Here's a link to a thread about Old Tank Syndrome. It might or might not have anything to with your current problems, but since your tank has been set up for a while now, it's something you should be aware of.

http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html

gulp....... guilty as charged ma'am.. i guess i am guilty of minimal maintenance as everything appeared to be fine - if it aint bust dont mess with it...

I hope your fish recover soon and look forward to seeing you around the forum again. :D


thanks, its good to be around, despite my errors i have learnt a lot over the last 3 years or so hopefully i can give some of that back :)
 
hmmmm frustrating...
i have removed a fair bit of gravel, but am mindful that this also contains good bacteria
i have changed approx 10% water most nights, and 25% (half this am, another 12ish% just now) also removed the rotten stinking remains of some unidentified fish, and nitrate is still high!! -_-

the remaining fish are much happier though - improving all the time, have seen both clown loach swimming around today - which is equally frustrating - surely all the suspected problems with the tank would have harmed them first - being new, almost scaleless, and very nervous.. yet there they are still happily swimming... :fun:
 
update:
well things are looking slightly better now

new heater installed and temp more like 26
new light installed and it all looks so much better too
small bubble curtain added
substantial amount of gravel removed - plan on removing more and may even remove all before adding sand instead
following the methyl blue i used some protozin as one of the zebra looked like it may have velvet, got to add final dose tomorrow

my future plans include:
sand substrate
external filter and remove the juwel filter box
add some wood
restock with nice colourful fish :)

the sooner i get fish in there the less grief i get when i spend time and money on the tank :)

any recomendations on fish stock & how soonto add some, as well as order for doing the maintenance
 

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