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Ok I need some help deciding what substrate to use in my 30 gallon planted tank I am setting up.

I was thinking sand, but can sand hurt plant growth since the grains are so small? Would it work to use smaller gravel with a thin layer of sand? This is perhaps my number one choice.

Any other ideas of successful substrate that you guys have used with plants? Help is appreciated!
 
Well i am mixing playsand and flourite together and the growth i have had has been excellent.

Chris
 
Well i am mixing playsand and flourite together and the growth i have had has been excellent.

Chris

How have you liked your flourite? Any cloudiness problems, what else do you do to promote plant growth. I am really paranoid about starting the whole planted thing, I would hate to go out and drop 50 bucks on plants and not have them grow!

Anyone else is free to share their plant methods.
 
I cant really say that it was very cloudy, if you have a quick look at my journal you will see the mess that unwashed sand and flourite makes. I know the sand was very dirty but the flourite did not make too much mess.


Chris
 
Anyone else is free to share their plant methods.


This will depend on how much you want to get into planted tanks and the kit you have or are prepared to buy.

Let's take your existing kit as a starting point. It's a 30g tank, but how many watts of lighting do you have?

What sort of plants do you like?

Do you want minimal effort, maximum output (like me), or do you like constantly working with it.?

Sand is not really a problem with a planted tank, you need an inch and a half to two inches to ensure there is enough substrate to anchor the plant and give the roots some space to grow. Whe i used sand i put a layer of first layer laterite underneath, and this seemed to work ok. First Layer laterite has to be rinsed a bit to get the worst of the clay colouring out, but not too much or you will lose the nutrients you bought it for in the first place. This stuff lasts about a year or so, then you need to start thinking about adding root tabs to the subtrate rooting plants to subsidise the nutrients.

I had sand for quite a while, but it does show up the mess a bit unless you keep on top of it. I have now gone with a small black gravel which i am really pleased with. It's only just a little bigger than sand really. Underneath the gravel I have used Tetra complete, and i have been really pleased with the results. It didn't need washing either. Both sand and gravel needs rinsing until the water becomes clear. This will save loads of hassle in the tank.

I have low light in my tank, only 1.3 Watts per gallon (WPG), but this does not stop a thriving tank. Mine is in desperate need of a trim now. I have added a small amount of DIY CO2 (see the pinned topic) using the nutrafin kit. I don't have up to the high levels of co2, but its not that binary. In a low light tank, it's really UP to 30ppm, but every little helps, and also helps to keep the algae down.

When doing a low light/low tech tank you just have to be a little more selective of your plants. Have a look on the tropica plant site, and the pinned topics around here at suitable low level plants. These include things like crypts, java fern, valis, HC, and many other plants. Contrary to many peoples beliefs you can have a very lush and colourful tank with not a lot of effort. Take a look at lljdma06's (the mod ) 20g tank journal in the journal section. That will give you plenty of ideas. Also in a low tech tank, you don't have to go mad with ferts or monsterous water changes.

I am about to change my DIY CO2 and use a regulator with a fire extinguisher. This will help to keep the co2 levels up, and more importantly consistent. It will also help my laziness, as it should last 4-6 months in my tank ;) . If CO2 is not the route you want to go, you can buy things like Seachem Flourish Excel online / ebay too. This is an alternative method of getting carbon into the water for the plants.

Let us know more about what you are after and we can answer with more information.

EDIT: one last thing.. you don't have to spend £50 on plants.. go to somewhere like greenline aquatic plants online and buy cheaper stuff there. I bought a big mixture (individually) and planted them all in my 48g tank. I will see what works well and then chop the stems in half and replant them.. The tank is looking pretty busy now with plants for about £20. Get some fast growers in the first instance too. This helps to keep the algae at bay. Read the journals for good info, i learnt loads from them. Take a look at Jimbooos 50g tank journal too.. that helped me loads.

Squid
 
Anyone else is free to share their plant methods.


This will depend on how much you want to get into planted tanks and the kit you have or are prepared to buy.

Let's take your existing kit as a starting point. It's a 30g tank, but how many watts of lighting do you have?

What sort of plants do you like?

Do you want minimal effort, maximum output (like me), or do you like constantly working with it.?

Sand is not really a problem with a planted tank, you need an inch and a half to two inches to ensure there is enough substrate to anchor the plant and give the roots some space to grow. Whe i used sand i put a layer of first layer laterite underneath, and this seemed to work ok. First Layer laterite has to be rinsed a bit to get the worst of the clay colouring out, but not too much or you will lose the nutrients you bought it for in the first place. This stuff lasts about a year or so, then you need to start thinking about adding root tabs to the subtrate rooting plants to subsidise the nutrients.

I had sand for quite a while, but it does show up the mess a bit unless you keep on top of it. I have now gone with a small black gravel which i am really pleased with. It's only just a little bigger than sand really. Underneath the gravel I have used Tetra complete, and i have been really pleased with the results. It didn't need washing either. Both sand and gravel needs rinsing until the water becomes clear. This will save loads of hassle in the tank.

I have low light in my tank, only 1.3 Watts per gallon (WPG), but this does not stop a thriving tank. Mine is in desperate need of a trim now. I have added a small amount of DIY CO2 (see the pinned topic) using the nutrafin kit. I don't have up to the high levels of co2, but its not that binary. In a low light tank, it's really UP to 30ppm, but every little helps, and also helps to keep the algae down.

When doing a low light/low tech tank you just have to be a little more selective of your plants. Have a look on the tropica plant site, and the pinned topics around here at suitable low level plants. These include things like crypts, java fern, valis, HC, and many other plants. Contrary to many peoples beliefs you can have a very lush and colourful tank with not a lot of effort. Take a look at lljdma06's (the mod ) 20g tank journal in the journal section. That will give you plenty of ideas. Also in a low tech tank, you don't have to go mad with ferts or monsterous water changes.

I am about to change my DIY CO2 and use a regulator with a fire extinguisher. This will help to keep the co2 levels up, and more importantly consistent. It will also help my laziness, as it should last 4-6 months in my tank ;) . If CO2 is not the route you want to go, you can buy things like Seachem Flourish Excel online / ebay too. This is an alternative method of getting carbon into the water for the plants.

Let us know more about what you are after and we can answer with more information.

EDIT: one last thing.. you don't have to spend £50 on plants.. go to somewhere like greenline aquatic plants online and buy cheaper stuff there. I bought a big mixture (individually) and planted them all in my 48g tank. I will see what works well and then chop the stems in half and replant them.. The tank is looking pretty busy now with plants for about £20. Get some fast growers in the first instance too. This helps to keep the algae at bay. Read the journals for good info, i learnt loads from them. Take a look at Jimbooos 50g tank journal too.. that helped me loads.

Squid

Wow, thanks for all the great info. I am going to print this off and use the information later, when I feel brave enough and have a little more finances to convert my tank over to 100% live plants. But I am not sure if you read in my other posts, I sort of gave up on the idea for now and went ahead and did a plastic planted tank with driftwood and a few Aponogeton bulbs.

Right now I have one 15w bulb... I have an extra ballast with another 15W bulb, but I can only put it into use when I find an all glass cover for my tank. (The two will not fit in together since I have a plastic hood with a strip of glass)

I guess I would like minimal effort with the best results I can get. I really dont want to keep anything too exotic or difficult in the way of plants, just a neat little variety. I don't know much about plants, but I do love Cabomba (spelling?) Amazon Swords, grasses, etc.

Thank you, I found a couple of journals that had some good ideas. About the fire extinguisher thing... I am not sure I understand. Do you put a regulator form a fire extinguisher onto a CO2 injector? Or do you actually use one as the CO2 injector?

Did you get your plants that cheap even with shipping? I went to an online place and found that it would have been over $50 dollars for about a dozen plants, and was a bit turned off.

Anyways, thanks again for taking the time to answer.
 

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