Someone Please Help Me Understand These Readings?

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Hi guys, again

ive just got a test kit for testing GH and Kh of water, ive just done a test and its apprently mine is 0 to 1 dh, not sure if this is correct, good or bad

instructions says apprently if ive got gh it will change red to green, if kh it will blue to yellow, if it changes right away then its 0 to 1dh level

ive currently on planning of having a planted aquairum, ive looked at this chart h**p://www.petfish.net/articles/pix/arts2/ph_kh_co2.gif, but ive got dh which, i think is wrong the type

before i get myself in a tazzle here, can any one please help out on this as its over my head
 
now im more confused, :hyper:, lol, so am i right in thinking that dh is to low to be measured correctly and that ive got to add stuff to one of my filter baskets to increase to kh?
 
lol, it takes a bit of getting used to, have a good read through the topic a few times!!

also i see wtaerdrop lurking and he's the KH expert so he'll hop in with some science stuff in a minute no doubt. :shifty:

but ye you are going to need to buffer that up, either with crushed coral or by adding baking soda to the tank.
 
Hi Rik,

What's your problem/goal? And could you remind me what your tap water KH is vs. your tank water KH?

Sounds like you've got the test method right. Usually you count drops one at a time. There is a "before" color and an "after" color. The drop on which you first see the "after" color is the count which you accept as your degrees of hardness (usually degrees of German hardness.)

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks waterdrop

im currently making plans to change my tank to a plannted tank, ive had in the past plants die on me, usually around 4 weeks, im assuming becuase of the gh / kh issue?, im guessing

the tank water reading is 0 - 1 dh

the tap water is also the same, 0 - 1 dh

the testing prodcure is to fill to 5ml, which i do, add one drop at a time, then lightly shake to mix, as soon as put one drop in, it turns to like a pink / light red colour, so am assuming to the instrcutions " if it changes colour with one drop, then your reading is 0 - 1 dh"

still not sure if dh is good or bad, everwhere i read its supposed to be kh, im just making sure that the plants etc im going to put will live and if i have to get a co2 unit

I hope you understand, ill provide more information or try to explain better if need be
 
pH and KH are linked into each other, the buffering capacity of your water (KH) will determine your natural pH, various factors send pH up or down but their effects will vary depending on the KH of the water.

your water has little/no buffering capacity meaning anything that sends pH down is going to cause your pH to crash, this could go well beyond not having sucess with plants, if the pH drops below 5.5 then the filter bacteria will die off and cause your tank to cycle, ultimatley if not sorted this can kill your fish.

adding Co2 will push your pH down so you really want to get some buffering capcity into your water before you add this.

I don't know exactly what optimum KH for plant growth is, the guys in the planetd forum should be able to tell you.
 
Think i understand a little better now, im planning on getting some baking soda this afternoon and try to slowly bring it up to around 5.5, ill see where i can find some crushed coral from for a longer term fix

i take it adding baking soda is a short term fix?, how often would you say that to add this to the tank, once a week, or is this down via the the weekly water tests i do, i start to test for kh, ive allready worked out that to bring it up, i need to add around 2.77 spoons of soda from a website calulator
 
when you do a water change you need to top up with baking soda for all the water you've replaced.

i take it you have fish in the tank? if you do it's best to use crushed coral because this raises it up gradually, baking soda can raise things quickly and this isn't very good for the fish
 
there is currently around 10 fish in the tank, about the size of guppies, do you know of any good place to get crushed coral from by any chance?

I take it its going to be addad a bit at a time to the filter box as I have 4 tiers in my filter and monitor the levels?

Thanks so far for the help miss wiggle
 
yes you just build it up gradually. add a little bit one week, leave it a few weeks, if the KH isn't where you want then add some more etc etc

any fish shop specialisisng in marines or african cichlids is your best bet. :good:
 
GH is General Hardness. KH is Carbonate (aka Temporary) Hardness. dh is "degrees of hardness", the units by which both of these are measured.

Hardness is an expression for various minerals being dissolved in water. The modern way that scientists discuss harness measurements is in milligrams/litre (mg/l) just like many of our other dissolved things we discuss here in fishkeeping. Since the total amounts of dissolved substances we discuss are usually very low, we can also discuss them in parts per million (ppm) although technically speaking mg/l is more correct than ppm because mg/l refers correctly to solids in liquids, whereas ppm technically would be solids in solids or liquids in liquids.

There are about five supposedly obsolete "degree" scales traditionally used to express hardness measurements: Clark(English) degrees, French degrees, American degrees, degrees of General Hardness (dGH) and finally, Deutsche Härte (German hardness) (dH), this last being the one most commonly still used by aquarium KH kits. One german degree is equal to 17.9ppm or mg/l of hardness. This conversion number is often useful in various situations such as talking with a local water authority who might use ppm instead of german degrees.

So now you have the tools to look more closely at your expression of "dh" and understand where it is coming from.

OK, so Carbonate Hardness is not "good" or "bad" overall, but a very common situation, like yours, is to want to raise it (raise KH to a higher value) because when it is very low it means your water has very little "buffering" capacity and is very susceptible to large pH changes, which are usually not desirable in an aquarium. KH and pH generally work in tandem in the world of aquariums and there are both fish and plants that, in their natural habitat, prefer soft & acid water (low KH and low pH) and other fish and plants which prefer hard & basic water (high KH and high pH), so this is yet another area that may need to be considered by both the fishkeeper and the planted tank enthusiast.

One reason I'm getting so detailed here is to hopefully give you a picture of some of the complicated nature of what you've asked about and help you understand that easy answers, although you may receive plenty of them, sometimes can hide the overall complexity. In the end the actions you take will probably be fairly simple but I just think it helps to have some larger picture stuff. MW has already hinted that the two actions we take for raising KH (&pH) are corals and baking soda. But more important than -how- we do it, is -whether- we should do it.

I feel I'm good at explaining -how- to raise KH (via baking soda or corals and when to use which) and I can contribute to a conversation about -whether- a particular fishkeeper should choose to do it but I'm not at all the best or most experienced at the -whether- part, because the very best people at that are those that have had lots and lots of experiences trying it and failing or succeeding! So.... my own choice would be to slow down a bit here, have a longer conversation, waiting for other experts to add their voices.

Another simple piece of accepted lore, I believe, which I can safely leave you with is that generally we recommend the "corals" methods for "operational" tanks with fish. The "baking soda" method I usually like to only recommend as a method of raising KH during a -fishless- cycle (the reason being that baking soda acts immediately, which is good, but is shorter lived and must be looked after and replenished fairly soon.) This is not to say that the "slower startup" but "longer acting" coral methods can not be effectively used during fishless, as I think they can, but just that often people end up using the two types of methods in the ways I've described.

~~waterdrop~~
 
yes you just build it up gradually. add a little bit one week, leave it a few weeks, if the KH isn't where you want then add some more etc etc

any fish shop specialisisng in marines or african cichlids is your best bet. :good:
Yes, with corals methods of raising KH, you want to obtain the coral material from a trusted source, usually a tropical fish or pet store for most of us, so that you are safe from bad materials being mixed in. "Crushed Coral" looks like broken up coral and shells, hopefully with not an overwhelming amount of dust needing to be rinsed out although there will always be pretty much of that. You'll want to contain it via a silk stocking type bag usually, to keep it separated from your other filter media, for eventual ease of removal. You need to be aware that it will need more frequent attention to rinse bacteria and dirt from it to keep it effective. And as MW says, it is always recommended that you start small, a small pile in the palm of your hand, not a complete handful. Already having fish and plants, this crushed coral method is really the only good choice for you. Baking soda I guess could be done but my understanding is that it is a good deal more risky with fish, mostly because of the human failings of forgetting or making honest mistakes.

~~waterdrop~~
 

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