Slightly Hazey Water?

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Hi again,
   I have a question to ask. I just did a water change vaccume gravel and such around 3 or 4 days ago and the water seems kind of hazy. I even have a SeaChem Purigen running in my new filter. I bought the Penn Plax Cascade 150 GPH Power Filter, its for up to 35 gallons and I have a 26 gallon Bow Front tank. I don't over feed them. I did notice after I put the Purigen bag in that some of my old ornaments are getting there color back. Could this just be a mini cycle? I have had my tank for over 3 years now. Should I try another small water change? In truth I am still a newbi to running an aquarium.
Thanks for any imput.
 
Lisa
 
Hi again, does it look like you've dropped milk into the water? If so then it's probably what we call a Bacterial bloom. They happen in new aquariums and the best way to get rid of them is water changes. I notice this tank has been running 3 years though so it's not because it's a new aquarium. Either way I'd try doing a fairly large water change.
Now being aware of your health issues I'm guessing that's not going to be easy for you so you might want to see if you can get someone to help you. The water changes need to be fairly large to get it under control and you'll probably need to do them daily until it clears - which could take a week or more.
 
Hang around though and see if someone else has another take on this. I know nothing of Seacham products as they arn't available in the U.K and that could be the cause of this.
 
Take care :)
 
I'm going to take a pic of my tank and see if I can upload it. Yes, I think it vary well could be a bacterial bloom. Previosly I did have small white particles floating around which is why too I did a large water change and vaccume the gravel. I think I took half the water out of it. It wasn't hazy before the change just dirty looking. It's weird how the ornaments are cleaning up too from being so dirty looking.  Thanks for the quick reponce. Need to get some water before I can do the change. We have very hard water and I usually need to buy gallons to do water changes.
Thanks again
 
a picture is always good :) It's best to use places like photobucket for uploading
 
Sorry it took so long, DSL uploading. Lol. Also not sure if I did it right.
Not sure which to put on here, but I think the Angel Fish pic show's more of the slight haze. The Angel looks sad. Lol



Sorry there so big, whoa never realized they so big! lol
 
hmm difficult to say ... it has got a slight haze to it but not what I was expecting to see. I'd still up the water changes for a week and see if it clears. 
 
Thanks, it is weird. Lol. Perhaps its the blue LED Light I have? I have a Aqueon LED 3 lighting mount that has in it one Blue LED, one Day and one Red LED. Perhaps its that? Lol
 
I tested my levels, all are good. Yet my new Angel is starting to act weird. Floating around like he's going to pass away. I turned up my heater, I have it set at 82 now, before I had it at 75. Perhaps that what the reason, not for the haze but my poor new Angel's weird floaty ness.
 
is the angel eating and pooping normally?
 
have a read of this http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/437410-help-angelfish-acting-weird/There's some info there regarding an angelfish that was acting strange. Go through what I've said there and see if anything applies to your angel. In that case it turned out to be nothing and hopefully it will be the same for yours.
 
Out of interest angelfish do like the water slightly warmer - around 26 degree's. 
 
Well sadly this morning I awoke and found my poor angel had passed. I've only had it a few days so I am thinking it could of been weak when I purchased it. I bought it from Petco and they had recently gotten there stock in. So I am going to return it. I still think it was sickly when I first got it, even in the bag on the way home he was tilting sideways.
Another thing, my water seems clearer this morning. Other fish are all happily swimming away.
 
When you started using the new filter, did you use the media from your old filter?
 
How big is your tank, and exactly what fish do you have in it?
 
What were the actual numbers from your tests, and what are you using to test with?
 
Sorry for all the questions, but the more information we have, the better we can work out a solution :)
 
sorry to hear about the angel 
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I would be inclined to suspect that the cloudiness had nothing to do with the angel weakening and dying, but this is not by any means absolute.  I will no longer acquire fish from "chain" stores, I have lost so many of them within say a year of acquisition (when fish from elsewhere are fine for years).  Aside from this, the angel may have been injured during capture/transport.  Was it acclimated slowly?
 
To the haze, I suspect this is a bacterial bloom, or possibly due to the Purigen product; I've never used this, but some of these chemical products can affect bacteria initially.  I've no idea beyond the suggestion.  
 
A bacterial bloom is most common in new tanks as Akasha said.  Established tanks rarely have them, except when the balance is disturbed [explained below].  Heterotrophs appear sooner and faster.  They build many of the biofilms that all bacteria use to adhere to surfaces, and they reproduce much faster, around 15 to 60 minutes, compared to hours for the autotrophs.  Heterotrophs are facultative anaerobes—unlike autotrophs which need oxygen—so they can switch between aerobic and anaerobic depending upon the environment.
 
When heterotrophs bloom in the water they switch to being aerobic and consume vast amounts of oxygen.  This is the real danger of a bacteria bloom, as it can starve the fish of oxygen.  Increasing aeration may be advisable, but before jumping the gun I would carefully observe the fish.  It is fairly easy to see increased respiration which is the first sign (more rapid gill movement), then nearing the surface more (actually at the surface in extreme cases), and usually lethargy.  Bacterial blooms can come, last several days, and then suddenly clear with no harm to fish or bacteria, so I would not take remedial action unless the fish are indicating it needs it.
 
In an established tank, a bacterial bloom is caused by something that upsets the biological balance, normally by increasing the organic matter too quickly, such as overfeeding, excessive decaying plant and animal matter, excess waste from overcrowding, etc., but other imbalances can occur too.  Here, the heterotrophs quickly reproduce by feeding on this organic matter.  This produces ammonia as a by-product, and the sudden surge in ammonia overtakes the nitrifying bacteria that need time to "catch up." Live plants (especially floating) help here, as they can assimilate and/or take up considerable quantities of ammonia faster.  Note that the bacterial bloom causes the rise in ammonia, not the opposite as we somes read.  And here again, don't assume ammonia (test for it if you can, just to be certain) unless you see obvious signs, similar to the others above.
 
I sometimes see mild bacterial blooms after a water change, though this can also be due to microscopic sediment in the water.  I usually see it very slightly after each filter clean.
 
Byron.
 
I actually removed the Purigen last night and the water cleared up. So I will not be buying that product again, despite the rave reviews on it. The Angel I think something had been wrong with it since I purchased it from Petco. It never acted normal, kinda laying on its side always so its a major possibility it could of been injured during the shipment. Plus the guy put his hands in the water too before catching it. I took the fish back today, but they wouldn't give me a replacment so I did a refund and got a good long scrubber for the sides. They wanted to test my water but I have heard there almost always wrong. Right now I have 3 Guppies, 1 previously from when there was an overload of guppies in my tank. Had mistakening and bought a couple females. btw never do that. Lol. U get a guppy overload. That has since died down, thank God. I gave a lot of gups away. anyway, I have 3 M..guppies, 9 neon tetras, a cory and I just came home with a Dwarf Gourami fish from a local petstore. My levels were all fine and the new Dwarf, which I named Grimley from LOTR. Its a male, btw. :D is acting just fine...unlike the Angel he is checking out his surroundings. My Neons are glowing under the Blue LED, so is Grimley. :D...
Happy Happy. Hoping Grimley survives
Thanks so much for the comments
 
fluttermoth said:
When you started using the new filter, did you use the media from your old filter?
 
How big is your tank, and exactly what fish do you have in it?
 
What were the actual numbers from your tests, and what are you using to test with?
 
Sorry for all the questions, but the more information we have, the better we can work out a solution
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Sorry to be a pain, but could you answer these questions (or as many as you can) please?
 

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