Silver Sand

[Lynden]

An ecosystem the size of the river/sea could never reach the waste levels needed for NitrIte etc. to rise as a ) the water is constantly being recycled and B ) many fish eat other fishes waste!

Well, it's been billions of years since the oceans formed... seems to me that that is enough time for it to happen...

start messing with the filters and it's a different matter.

Hmm, that's funny, before I knew better, I used to always clean my entire filtration systems at once in my heavily stocked tanks with untreated tap water!

-Lynden

 

[timmystood]

An ecosystem the size of the river/sea could never reach the waste levels needed for NitrIte etc. to rise as a ) the water is constantly being recycled and B ) many fish eat other fishes waste!

Well, it's been billions of years since the oceans formed... seems to me that that is enough time for it to happen...

Yes, but the water is constantly being recycled with rainwater etc. the Ammonia or NitrIte etc. that would build up in the system (if any) would be lost when the water evaporates etc. Every part of the drainage basin is constantly getting 100% water changes

 

[Lynden]

An ecosystem the size of the river/sea could never reach the waste levels needed for NitrIte etc. to rise as a ) the water is constantly being recycled and B ) many fish eat other fishes waste!

Well, it's been billions of years since the oceans formed... seems to me that that is enough time for it to happen...

Yes, but the water is constantly being recycled with rainwater etc. the Ammonia or NitrIte etc. that would build up in the system (if any) would be lost when the water evaporates etc. Every part of the drainage basin is constantly getting 100% water changes

Only pure water will evaporate from a system.

 

[timmystood]

It's still getting constant water changes! Plus, as mentioned before.. there is natural filters!

 

[Lynden]

Well, whatever, heed the majority, and take notice to the minority.

 

[andywg]

start messing with the filters and it's a different matter.

Hmm, that's funny, before I knew better, I used to always clean my entire filtration systems at once in my heavily stocked tanks with untreated tap water!

-Lynden

Yes, but I bet you weren't testing the water for ammonia and nitrite levels then either.

Fact is Lynden, you love to be contrary.

You loved quoting a poorly conducted internet survey about how anemones apparantly thrive better under tap water than RO water. It was only when your SW tank crashed (for the second time?) that you finally came round to thinking that maybe everyone else was right about using RO water.

Actually, didn't you post some article a while back as proof that cuttlefish are super intelligent, even though the article finsihed by saying that they actually weren't as intelligent as they hoped? I seem to recall that despite your own source article disagreeing with you, you still argued on in the face of evidence...

 

[Lynden]

Fact is Lynden, you love to be contrary.

You loved quoting a poorly conducted internet survey about how anemones apparantly thrive better under tap water than RO water. It was only when your SW tank crashed (for the second time?) that you finally came round to thinking that maybe everyone else was right about using RO water.

Actually, didn't you post some article a while back as proof that cuttlefish are super intelligent, even though the article finsihed by saying that they actually weren't as intelligent as they hoped? I seem to recall that despite your own source article disagreeing with you, you still argued on in the face of evidence...

OK, neither of those were me, somebody posted the cuttlefish article against what I said.
Also, what evidence? Neither side of the "squid debate" had any evidence; it was mainly a giant opinion thread. And probably the greastest thread I have ever seen on TFF
Also, I might still be using tapwater today if my conditioner didn't suck.

It's true. I love to be contrary. I always try to do things my own way. But is that so bad? I figure it's good;
if H. sapiens never divided with the habits of H. erectus and H. neanderthalis, we wouldn't be here at all
There's another flashback for ya!

I also like to argue, even if I have never came on top in a single one of them

-Lynden

 

[andywg]

You never come on top because you have nothing to back up hat you say, you just post against the general consensus with nothing to back you up.

I like to post against a general consensus, but only if there is something to back me up.

For example, I often post questioning the need for dechlorinator as some experimental evidence suggests it is not necessary, even with chloramines. However, I point to two experiments carried out by two amateurs who have tested the chlorine, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels in their tank and found it dissipates extremely quickly (less than 5 minutes).

Or I post about not heating water change water and use maths to prove how little the temperature can possibly drop.

I don't just say you don't need dechlor because it goes out on its own.

Liking arguments and debates is all good and well, but if you never have any sources to back up claims, then you start to look like a foolish person just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, rather than constructing a logical argument.

*sigh* the lack of any political debates has apparantly killed the art of debating on this site.