Sick Rainbow Cichlids? With Vid

[Joller]

ive had these 2 rainbow cichlids for a week or two and they're acting really strange, half of the time they swim around normally, and the other half they're either really twitchy or lying down (sideways at the bottom)
heres a video showing both behaviors, ones all twitchy at the front and the other is lying down at the back they started doing this yesterday and i just did a 30-40% water change
i have 4 angels, 3 blue acara and 3 rams that are all acting normally
[URL="http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=32q1qLXEeNw"]http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=32q1qLXEeNw[/URL]

Edit: just read the posting guide
last checked water 5 days ago, ammonia, nitrates and nitrites were all 0, ph 7.4
30-40% weekly water changes
i use safe gaurd water conditioner and treatment (mixed in before the water goes into the tank)
150L tank size
i added 6 khulii loaches yesterday, but they were acting strange before

 

[WILDER]

Could be a parasite that causing a bacterial infection.
Any excess slime on the fish body or gills.
Check the gills to see if there pale with excess mucas, or red and inflamed.
Does the fish swim oddly like in a jerky movement.
Does the fish dart around the tank.
What your tap nitrate reading, do you have live plants.

 

[Joller]

Could be a parasite that causing a bacterial infection.
Any excess slime on the fish body or gills.
Check the gills to see if there pale with excess mucas, or red and inflamed.
Does the fish swim oddly like in a jerky movement.
Does the fish dart around the tank.
What your tap nitrate reading, do you have live plants.

it does look like there is excess slime, and they've got white spots (which look like fine air bubbles or grit from the gravel) stuck to them
the gills are pale if anything
yes it swims jerky, and will dart around the tank
i do have live plants, they eat nothing but my plants, they are not interested in flake (i think because they're allready full of plant)

 

[WILDER]

The whitespot do they look like grains of salt.
Tiny bubbles on fish can be a sign of whitespot before it breaks out.

 

[WILDER]

You could be dealing with anything from whitespot which looks like the fish has been sprinkled in salt.
To flukes.

 

[Joller]

i just read up on whitespot and yes i think its whitespot, i noticed the bubbles a few days ago, but they're not bubbles anymore.. i put the heat up to 29C, will formalin and malachite green hurt my kuhlii loaches?

 

[WILDER]

I would read med instructions that you can use full dose with the fish you keep.
I would only try half dose first to see how they handle it.
Don't forget to remove black carbon if you use it in your filter.
Also need to increase aeration with the high temp and med.

One of the best articles on the net about whitespot.
http/www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

 

[Joller]

thats the article ive been reading, thanks. my filter just has sponges in it
also my blue acara have it but are acting normal

 

[WILDER]

I would start treating now, as whitespot can be a fast killer.
Good Luck.

 

[Joller]

yeah ive got the treatment, i think it might be too late for the rainbows

 

[WILDER]

Poor things. Are they laboured breathing.
Let us all know how you get on.

 

[Joller]

now my angels developed fin rot since yesterday
is this because i turned up temp? and the white spot remedy?
what should i do? should i get antibiotics?
also theres little cloudy bits forming over a few of my fishes eyes

Edit:
ph 7.4
amonia, nitrates and nitrites are all 0

 

[Joller]

actually nitrates are 5 to 10 ppm

 

[WILDER]

Finrot common on top of whitespot, just carry on with the whitespot med.
Cloudy eye is a symtom of a desease, not a desease in it own right.
Causes

Bad water quality, stress, irratation, poor diet, old age, parasites, bacterial.

 

[Joller]

i lost 6 fish this morning
the rainbows are still alive, i lost 3 angels but the 4th is sick, 2 blue acara and the 3rd one looks pretty dull, and 1 loach. and the rams appear to be 100%