Sick Longfin Zebra Danio

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Location
Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
Tank size: 33 U.S. Gallons
pH: 6.9
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: ?
kH: <1d
gH: <1d
tank temp: 25 C

Fish Symptoms:
Appearance: emaciation and paleness; obvious in photos
Behaviour: lethargic
Feeding: not much

Volume and Frequency of water changes:
10% once per week or so

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
Outside filter contains sponge, activated carbon, zeolite, and ceramic bio-media

Tank inhabitants:
One other Longfin, and 5 regular Zebra Danios

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
None

Exposure to chemicals:
Just completed 5 day treatment with Maracyn Two plus salt plus temperature increase, in 5 gallon hospital tank, with polyfloss-filled inside filter.


What disease?
What treatment?
Prognosis?


Thanks very much in advance,
Wet Coaster

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I would issolate him, he dosn't look good at all, being like that can be fish tb or internal parasites, hard to say which one, both nasty and hard to cure, i would think about ending his suffering, sorry bless him so cute too.
 
ok first when you treated did you remove the carbon from your filter?
I'm guessing not. this would've absorbed the meds so basically you have not treated that tank at all.

I'm thinking the fish has internal parasitic worms
do you notice any white stringy poop, although this dosn't always show

you need a treatment that deals with endoparasites like Paragon 2 by Aquatronics or any other med that contains a mix of Metronidazole & Neomycin sulphate.

prognosis is about 50/50

don't forget to remove carbon and zealoite from filters, also turn off any UV steralisers you may have.
 
Wow...fast replies! Thanks!

Yes, this fish is isolated, in a 5 gal. hospital tank.

Yes, original treatment included first removing carbon from the filter, but not the zeolite: I hadn't heard that zeolite absorbs medications.

There is no UV sterilizer.

Thanks a lot!

Any more ideas, before I head to the fish store for medications?
 
Very prone to bacterial problems on top as well, so if they have done the damage inside the parasites, the med could be to late, but good luck, it worth a go.
 
I forgot to say, that I didn't notice any stringy poop.

BTW, he does eat a little, so I thought a medicated food might be the way to go. So, I tried a drop of Aquarium Products' Gel-Tek Ultra Cure BX yesterday, and he gobbled it up. (It has nitrofurazone and triple sulfa).
But now that the problem may be parasites, I wonder if I should try Gel-Tek PX (their anti-parasite version), or maybe both BX and PX?

I sure don't want to lose this guy. He's a beaut!
 
Signs of parasites are being very thin, long stringy white poo, worms prutruding from the anus, enlarged and red inflamed anus.

Got permission to use this info.




I've been derelict in my duty--I really meant to post a sticky about internal parasites long before this, and I've been so busy lately I just haven't gotten it done. Part of the problem is that I need to rewrite it, because right at the moment, levamisole is almost impossible to get, unfortunately. There is only one manufacturer producing it, and they're having financial problems and have suspended production; I sure hope it's just temporary, because levamisole is still the best, widest spectrum and most nontoxic dewormer you can use on tropical fish. IF you can get levamisole, and that's a big if right now, this is what I do:

If they’re eating, I use a ColorBits cocktail, which consists of ColorBits soaked in metronidazole and levamisole, two broad spectrum antiparasitics and antihelminthics. I get the 5 gram vials of pure metronidazole that Foster & Smith sells. It comes with a little spoon (just like the kinds that come in SeaChem water test kits). I use Tetra ColorBits because it holds together better than flakes do and it’s easy to mix. Take off the cap, put one spoonful of metronidazole and one spoonful of levamisole (available in powder from most vets, one brand name is Levasole); add about a teaspoonful of water and mix as thoroughly as you can. Add enough ColorBits to the cap to soak up all the water; mix thoroughly. One capful of this is enough for me to deworm all my tanks, which I do on a regular basis, about every 3 or 4 months; I also do any new fish I purchase while they're still in quarantine. Just feed as much as you can fit on the end of your finger. After you’ve done it a couple of times, you can easily judge how much to put in. Both of these meds are very nontoxic, but be careful if you have shrimp; you don’t want them chowing down on it. Most antiparasitic medications will kill shrimp. I’ve used the cocktail in a tank with wood shrimp with no problems, but they don't generally scavenge the bottom for food. This may sound complicated but once you’ve done it once there’s nothing to it, and the results are pretty amazing, especially when you realize fish that you thought were perfectly healthy are throwing all kinds of worms.

If they’re not eating, you can treat the water with Levamisole. It’s most effective at a ph below neutral, so if necessary you can kick up your CO2 to bring it down a little, or put a bottle on your quarantine tank if necessary. Mix ¼ teaspoon per 10 gallons in a cup or so of tank water to dissolve, and then pour into the tank. After 24 hours, do a big water change, at least 50%, and the following day do another one; this will help get rid of expelled worms and any eggs or cysts. After you’ve done two water changes, the fish should begin to eat normally and put weight back on. If it DOESN’T work, you may need to try another antihelminthic like piperazine or metronidazole or both, but levamisole is effective against a pretty wide variety of organisms, and is particularly good for everything that most commonly troubles cichlids. I have never used this treatment on shrimp and would be leery of doing so; however, it doesn’t seem to have any impact on snails.

If you CAN'T get Levamisole, one thing you could use instead is DiscoMed, a medication made by AquaTronics. It contains metronidazole, levamisole and nitrafurazone, and you can also soak their food in it and feed it that way, or treat the water if they're not eating; there are directions right on the medication. Piperazine is also a good option--it's readily available most places as Pipzine, also from AquaTronics.


Just take a look here to be on the safe side.
http://www.4qd.org/Aqua/disease/tb.html
 
Thanks for that detailed info, Wilder.

Now that I think about it, since the antibiotic treatment wasn't effective, I think you are right that I should be treating for internal parasites, instead.

I wish I could get Aquatronics products, but I understand they stopped shipping into Canada a few years ago.
 
You can get it, as there was another member who lived in canada and he managed to get levimsole from american online sites.
What antibiotic did you use there only a few that work on fish tb, minocycline and tetracycline.

kanamycin
 
What antibiotic did you use there only a few that work on fish tb, minocycline and tetracycline.

I had used Maracyn Two, which contains Minocycline. That treatment was originally for all the Danios, because a few Zebra Danios died, with NO symptoms, other than one fish that had a pale spot on his side, and slightly protruding eyes. These dying fish were all purchased at the same time, about two weeks ago. The Zebras that have been in the tank for a couple of months are all looking very healthy.

Maybe this fish is just too far gone for effective treatment.

BTW, good article on fish tuberculosis....thanks again.
 
Ok good luck, keep a close on on the tb symtoms as going pale is a sign and wasting a way, plus prutruding eyes.

To be honest the fish in the pic is far from saving, once they get that wasted away, there is no come back, sorry.
 
To be honest the fish in the pic is far from saving, once they get that wasted away, there is no come back, sorry.

Good call. I'm sorry to report that the poor fella had to be put out of his misery. Stopped feeding and became very disorientated last night. No point in prolonging his misery.

Thanks for taking the time to try to help....much appreciated.
 
Sorry bless him. R.I.P.
 

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