Hi, we have a breeding pair of angel fish, we have only just bought the 700l tank that they and there tank mates came in, they had to endure a 6hour drive on saturday, but seemed fine when we got them in the tank. We have checked the water everyday since and it has been amonia 0, nitrite 0 and nitrates 20. Anyway i noticed the angelfish at the top of the tank this morning but he was swimming fine, i then had a sleep as i worked nights and when i woke up he was lying on the bottom of the gravel. I cant see any fin damage but he cant swim he just flops onto his side. I have just noticed his mate is dead, so is a gourami and another angel fish is getting biten as he is looking weak. I have put all the sick ones in a quarantine tank but really dont know what the problem is. We bought some neons yesterday and 6 have disappeared, could it be that they had something wrong with them and the angel fish ate them or could it be stress from the move, doesnt explain why the gourami is dead though as he wasnt in the move. Please help as i dont want to lose any, we have got royal plecs and golden nuggets in the tank that we dont want to lose. The filter is fx5 and temp is just at the top of the green level.
Sick Fish
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Just taken water samples into maidenhead aquatics and they said the water is perfect, phosphates were slightly high, so we are going to leave off feeding them for a bit, we have got live plants in there so that should help. We have more sick fish inlcuding a severum, parrot fish, gouramis and sharks. The shop suggested it might be a bacterial infection so we have treated the tank with anti bacterial medicine and we have treated the quarantine tank with that and methanine blue. Does anyone know what else we can do
Truck
UKAPS
whats wrong with high phosphate?
it doesnt cause algae, and shouldnt affect eh fish
it doesnt cause algae, and shouldnt affect eh fish
It was quite high, the bloke in the shop said it isnt what killed the fish anyway
Sounds like a bacterial infection to me.
Is the angel still eating.
Does it look pale or darker in colour.
What does it look like when the fish goes to the toilet.
How long did you climatise the new fish for.
Does the angel look bloated or skinny.
Is the angel still eating.
Does it look pale or darker in colour.
What does it look like when the fish goes to the toilet.
How long did you climatise the new fish for.
Does the angel look bloated or skinny.
I agree it must be a bacterial infection, the weird thing is that none of the fish look poorly, they are not bloated, gasping, any different colour and were all eating fine this morning. They just cant swim properly. The latest victims are the parrot fish they just keep turning upside down and flopping to the bottom of the tank and then they get a burst of energy and turn themselves over. The gouramis look really sick too. All the fish were acclimatised properly, all this has happened since buying the neons yesterday, we stupidly emptied the bag with the water in so i guess it must have had some bacteria in it. I have treated the tank with 70ml of interpret anti bacterial medicing, just dont know what else i can do as they are all dying infront of me
The signs they are showing can be bacterial to ph shock.
Get you some info.
pH Shock
As its name suggests this condition occurs when a fish is introduced to quickly into a new environment which has a very different pH from the one it came from, when the pH is adjusted to quickly and the fish have little or no time to adjust themselves, or when the pH is to far outside the fishes normal range.
It is very important that any change in water chemistry is made slowly and fish should never be exposed to changes of pH greater than 0.5 of one unit on the pH scale in either direction.
Avoidance is by far the best solution because in most cases the symptoms don't appear until the second or third day by which time the damage has been done and the fish will probably die.
A fish suffering from this condition will show all the typical signs of shock -
Lying on the bottom and paying little or no attention to its surroundings and ignoring potential threats.
It may even lay on its side or go upside down completely.
There could be other signs to, related to Acidosis and Alkalosis
Excessive mucus production.
Rapid breathing.
Swollen abdomen. (Alkalosis only).
If the condition is allowed to go on for one or two days then the chances of a successful remedy are greatly reduced because a lot of damage will have taken place. If the symptoms are spotted early enough there are a couple of things that will help.
Begin to return the pH to the original pH in steps of 0.4 of one unit on the pH scale and allow 3 hrs in between the adjustments. Make these adjustments until the pH is returned to a safe and satisfactory level.
Treat the tank with a broad spectrum anti-Bacteria/Fungus compound to prevent secondary infections of the Skin and Gills.
Prevention is easy. A successful treatment isn't!
PH SHOCK LINK
http
/groups.msn.com/FishHealth/phshock.msnw
The third type of infection produced by Aeromonas is by no means the least. This form is often the most virulent (potent) and can be rapidly fatal. This insidious form does not produce any noticeable external ulcers. The most notable feature is a behavioral change in which the infected fish generally become listless and lethargic. Some fish may lose color or appear darker. The fish do not feed, frequently seem off balance and may sink to the bottom laying on their sides. The course of the disease is rapid, and by the time the behavioral changes are noticed, the entire population of a tank may succumb, sometimes in a day or so. This is an internal infection, with the bacteria being found in the kidneys and blood of these fish. The bacteria produce potent toxins that account for the severity of the disease.
Get you some info.
pH Shock
As its name suggests this condition occurs when a fish is introduced to quickly into a new environment which has a very different pH from the one it came from, when the pH is adjusted to quickly and the fish have little or no time to adjust themselves, or when the pH is to far outside the fishes normal range.
It is very important that any change in water chemistry is made slowly and fish should never be exposed to changes of pH greater than 0.5 of one unit on the pH scale in either direction.
Avoidance is by far the best solution because in most cases the symptoms don't appear until the second or third day by which time the damage has been done and the fish will probably die.
A fish suffering from this condition will show all the typical signs of shock -
Lying on the bottom and paying little or no attention to its surroundings and ignoring potential threats.
It may even lay on its side or go upside down completely.
There could be other signs to, related to Acidosis and Alkalosis
Excessive mucus production.
Rapid breathing.
Swollen abdomen. (Alkalosis only).
If the condition is allowed to go on for one or two days then the chances of a successful remedy are greatly reduced because a lot of damage will have taken place. If the symptoms are spotted early enough there are a couple of things that will help.
Begin to return the pH to the original pH in steps of 0.4 of one unit on the pH scale and allow 3 hrs in between the adjustments. Make these adjustments until the pH is returned to a safe and satisfactory level.
Treat the tank with a broad spectrum anti-Bacteria/Fungus compound to prevent secondary infections of the Skin and Gills.
Prevention is easy. A successful treatment isn't!
PH SHOCK LINK
http
/groups.msn.com/FishHealth/phshock.msnwThe third type of infection produced by Aeromonas is by no means the least. This form is often the most virulent (potent) and can be rapidly fatal. This insidious form does not produce any noticeable external ulcers. The most notable feature is a behavioral change in which the infected fish generally become listless and lethargic. Some fish may lose color or appear darker. The fish do not feed, frequently seem off balance and may sink to the bottom laying on their sides. The course of the disease is rapid, and by the time the behavioral changes are noticed, the entire population of a tank may succumb, sometimes in a day or so. This is an internal infection, with the bacteria being found in the kidneys and blood of these fish. The bacteria produce potent toxins that account for the severity of the disease.
Truck
UKAPS
PH shock is one of those topics:
sorry to side track-
when CO2 is injected into water it creates carbonic acid which will lower the PH, in most tanks the PH will dip by about 1 unit in a period of a few hours when the CO2 is on...about 8 hours later when the CO2 is switched off the PH will rise back to the normal level as soon as the plants have used the CO2 or when it has gassed off.
PH shock is influenced by many things such as Kh and GH.
what im saying is...PH shock IMO is an unlikely cause, as hundreds of people with CO2 have tanks that thrive with no problems...this also happens in the wild too.
sorry to side track-
when CO2 is injected into water it creates carbonic acid which will lower the PH, in most tanks the PH will dip by about 1 unit in a period of a few hours when the CO2 is on...about 8 hours later when the CO2 is switched off the PH will rise back to the normal level as soon as the plants have used the CO2 or when it has gassed off.
PH shock is influenced by many things such as Kh and GH.
what im saying is...PH shock IMO is an unlikely cause, as hundreds of people with CO2 have tanks that thrive with no problems...this also happens in the wild too.
I dont think it is ph shock the parrot fish and the gourami were our fish to start with and the ph didnt change for them. The bloke said the ph, gh and kh were fine. Think it is def bacterial as what you described is exactly what is happening. Does anyone know much about the interpret anti bacterial stuff, is it any good. I followed the instructions which said do 10ml per 100l so hence i put in 70ml, is this enough and can i do anything to help them. How long should i not feed them for and should i turn the temp up or anything. Please help i love my fish and this is heartbreaking, we currently have 6 in the quarantine tank that i dont think will live much longer. Oh and another neon in there. The royal plec seems to be fine but cant find the golden nugget anywhere. We also have clown loaches and silver dollars but again touch wood they seem to be ok
You can double the dose of anti internal bacteria med in severe cases. It might knock water stats though.
The manfacture told a member to double dose as he said it wasn't working.
Don't turn temp up.
Increase aeration.
weve got the fx5 going and 3 air pumps, the other angel fish is dead and so is a little tetra, thankyou all so much for your help
Can't really add anything to this, just wanted to give you my condolences. I once lost almost an entire mbuna tank (lost 9 or 10 all together I think) in about 8 hours. 
With Wilders help, we narrowed it down to the bacterial infection. I treated with a bacterial med, only thing I can say is to make sure you follow the entire course of the meds. I was lucky in that I didn't lose my bene bac too, hopefully yours will work out as well. 
With Wilders help, we narrowed it down to the bacterial infection. I treated with a bacterial med, only thing I can say is to make sure you follow the entire course of the meds. I was lucky in that I didn't lose my bene bac too, hopefully yours will work out as well. Please can anyone advise if there is anything more i can do. Today a torpedo barb, 2 green tiger barbs, a kribensis, 2 sharks, a parrot fish, another angel fish, 2 scissor tails and a plec have died. I have put in 70ml of interpret anti internal bacterial medicine. You cant put another dose till 4 days time, but by then they will all be dead. I have got a 125l quarantine tank that i have double dosed with interpret anti internal bacterial medicine and have also added methylene blue, but the fish are all dying up there aswell. I have now bought another 125l tank in the hope i can put some more in there. I have tested my water again today and the stats are amonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 40(same as my tap water). The other meds i have got are Pimafix, interpret anti slime and velvet, anti white spot treatment, interpret anti fungus and finrot. Are any of these likely to help, if so can they be mixed with the meds already in there. Is it worth doing a water change, if so how much. Temp at the moment is 28. We have 3 air pumps going to add aeration. I really dont know what else to do, all of the fish look poorly. I have 3 fully grown silver dollars but they are also looking poorly. I have checked all the fish there is no bloating or gasping for breath. The only reason i know they are ill is that they dont seem to be able to swim properly, the ones that can swim just hang at the top of the tank. I have some babie kribensis that have a bit of stringy poo but none of the other fish. Please if there is anything more i can do then please let me know
Shoudn't really mix meds.
I wouldn't add anymore methylene blue.
Once a bacterial infection has progressed, there hard to cure.
By the time you notice the symtoms it can be to late.
Let ne know how they get on.
I wouldn't add anymore methylene blue.
Once a bacterial infection has progressed, there hard to cure.
By the time you notice the symtoms it can be to late.
Let ne know how they get on.
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