Sick Algae Eater, Not Positive What's Wrong Or What To Do

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Some of you may know the topic I made recently with questions about whether I should get some Ottos. Well, on Friday I bought two Golden Algae Eaters instead, and I did everything possible to make sure they settled into their home well. At first everything was fine, they got along perfectly with my male Betta, and they seemed quite happy and energetic. But today I realized they've been ignoring their food, or at least one of them has. I'm not too concerned about the littler one, but the bigger one worries me a lot. It just "sits" in front of its food without eating, and has been swimming a little sideways. It's been turning pale too, and is no longer the bright orange it was when I bought it. It seems to have no energy too. Normally it can swim about ten inches in a split second when something frightens it, but today it barely even moved when I scooped it up to examine it.
This is worrying me a lot. Does anyone know what's wrong or what I can do?
 
I don't know the topic you refer to, so you'll need to fill me in on the background info.
 
How big is the tank, capacity and dimensions?
What are the other tank inhabitants?
When did you cycle the filter, and how did you do so?
What are your current water statistics, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH?
What chemicals do you use in your tank?
 
Also, can you please detail the procedure you used to acclimatise the fish to their new home? (IE floating the bag in the tank, etc.)
 
The tank is about 20 gallons.
The only other inhabitant is my Betta.
I don't have a filter because I didn't need one before, but if I need one to keep my algae eaters healthy, I'll gladly invest in one.
I'm not sure how to check those. Do you suppose you can give me a little info? I'm sorry for not knowing much...
No chemicals, unless you count the water conditioner that removes chlorine and such.
 
First I set the bag in the water to get the water temperature in the bag to be the same, then gradually mixed in water from the aquarium every now and then. When most of the water in the bag was aquarium water, I finally allowed them to go into the tank.
 
OK, chances are that the fish are suffering from ammonia poisoning.
 
All fish produce ammonia, mainly from their gills. Ammonia is highly toxic. In order to combat it, your filter grows a colony of bacteria which eat ammonia, and turn it into nitrite. Unfortunately, nitrite is also highly toxic. To combat this, your filter also grows a second colony of a different bacteria which eat nitrite, and turn it into nitrate, which isn't that toxic in sensible concentrations.
 
Whoever told you that you didn't need a filter for your betta was talking out of his rectum. I'm quite surprised that your betta hasn't died. However, with one fish in a relatively large tank, the ammonia wouldn't have built up that quickly, and a weekly water change may have been enough to control it. Also, there may be some bacteria in your gravel that has helped.
 
What has happened now is that instead of one fish, you have 3 fish, so the ammonia builds up three times as quickly in the tank.
 
Another problem is that the outflow from the filter is the main way oxygen gets into the water. Without a filter, the water may well be lacking in oxygen. Again, bettas are naturally used to living in an envrionment with a lack of oxygen, and are naturally adapted to deal with this, but GAEs certainly aren't.
 
I strongly recommend you invest in a sensible sized external canister filter, and thoroughly read the green link in my signature area. It will tell you how to get those bacteria colonies in the filter growing. In the meantime, you need to be doing massive water changes, every day, to keep ammonia under control.
 
The 2nd thing you need to invest in is a set of liquid-drop water tests, for the 4 parameters that I mentioned above. You will need these to work out how much water you need to change whilst your filter grows the bacteria. I personally recommend the Salifert or Nutrafin tests, although most people on here recommend the API. Don't get the paper-strip tests, they are not accurate enough for someone in your position.
 
The good news is that your acclimatisation procedure is spot-on perfect!
 
Any further questions, fire away!
 
Please do a very large water change NOW, to lessen the ammonia and get some oxygen into the water.
 
Thank you so much! I'll go change the water right now, and continue to daily, and try to earn enough for a filter by this weekend. Do you know how much one would typically cost?
I've definitely rushed into this, and I was afraid I'd get scolded, heh heh. Thank you for being patient with me!
 
No problem, we were all beginners once.
 
Cost depends on the size of tank, but the Fluval range start at around £70 for a 25gallon tank, and go up from there.
 
I believe you can get a less expensive HOB (hang on back) filter. Where are you located?
 
The Fluval 205 would be a good filter for you, the same as I have. That would set you back around £70 though.
 
You really need to get yourself a filter and/or find another home for your GAEs
 
As others have said, you need to do regular, large water changes to keep the ammonia down. Oh, and get yourself a testing kit! The API Master test kit is the best one to get which costs about £20 but you definitely need a filter first... and soon!
 
We all have to start somewhere though, I've certainly made worse mistakes in the past with previous tanks :)
 
I just looked up Golden Algae Eaters, and it turns out they're a variety of Chinese Algae Eaters. Please take them back to the store where you got them. These will grow up to be vicious and deadly. Maybe you can trade them back for a filter. 
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I am in America, New York state to be exact.
 
They get vicious? I was told they're friendly fish, that some of them can be semi-aggressive, but they've certainly been friendly so far...
Oh dear... Now I'm worried.
I'll certainly keep an eye on them, and if they cause trouble, I suppose I'll have to consider returning them...
 
They don't get aggressive until they grow up, and then they also quit eating algae. I'd take them back ASAP while the shop might still be willing to give you a refund or exchange.
 
You should consider returning them anyway seeing as you have an uncycled tank which is going to end up with high levels of ammonia :/
 
I suppose... Yes, you're definitely right.
I'm going to the pet store later today to pick up some more water conditioner. Perhaps I can borrow some money to get a filter too. I doubt my sick algae eater is going to make it through the day--it's really not looking good, despite the water change--so I may as well keep it. The little algae eater is looking and acting healthy though, so perhaps I'll return it...
The problem is that I've gotten quite attached to them in the short time I've had them. Letting them go is painful, but it's probably best for them if I can't provide the home they need.
 

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