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When I re-started to cycle I used some media from my Bi-orb and left a couple of filter sponges in the Bi-orb for about a week to see if that would help the bacteria build up, it obviously has cause I'm nearly finished my cycle, thing is it looks like its missed out the nitrite spike!!

K

What hap penes if it misses out the nitrite spike? Is that a bad thing or does it just mean the ammonias been processed straight to nitrate bi-passing nitrite?
 
When I re-started to cycle I used some media from my Bi-orb and left a couple of filter sponges in the Bi-orb for about a week to see if that would help the bacteria build up, it obviously has cause I'm nearly finished my cycle, thing is it looks like its missed out the nitrite spike!!

K

What hap penes if it misses out the nitrite spike? Is that a bad thing or does it just mean the ammonias been processed straight to nitrate bi-passing nitrite?
The only reason we see a "nitrite spike" when we proceed through a normal fishless cycle procession (by normal I mean one without mature media added) is because we need to grow about 3 times as many N-Bacs as we do A-Bacs (each 1ppm of ammonia gets processed in to about 2.7ppm of nitrite by the A-Bacs, meaning that there will be triple the amount of nitrite(NO2) needing processing into nitrate(NO3) but the N-Bacs don't grow any faster than the A-Bacs, actually slower, really. So we start a tank and both the A-Bacs and N-Bacs begin slowly growing. We are feeding the A-Bacs ammonia and even though there aren't many of them, they begin producing 2.7ppm of nitrite for every 1ppm of ammonia. There are the same number of N-Bacs roughly, so they can only process about 1ppm on nitrite on in to nitrate(NO3) and meanwhile lots of nitrite(NO2) builds up. This excess is the nitrite spike and it goes way above what our liquid test kits can measure. Quite a bit later, the N-Bac population will finally get triple the size of the A-Bac population and together they will both be reducing the 5ppm of ammonia into zero ppm of ammonia and nitrite and all that will be left is lots and lots of nitrate(NO3) (unless we've water changed it out somewhere along the way.)

~~waterdrop~~
 
So maybe having my filter parts in my biorb for a week maybe brought loads of n-bacs across? Whatever the reason, ive still skipped a step, which is the first thing thats gone in my favour since i got my tank in August!!!

Fingers crossed the same happens to you SF!!
K
 
So maybe having my filter parts in my biorb for a week maybe brought loads of n-bacs across? Whatever the reason, ive still skipped a step, which is the first thing thats gone in my favour since i got my tank in August!!!

Fingers crossed the same happens to you SF!!
K

I really hope so but with my luck I'll not believe it until I see it haha. You will be getting fish soon! Are you all decided on what your getting?
 
Sorta, ive got a thread on here asking for help, but not getting much of it!!! :sad:
K
 
Hi Guys

Added mature media yesterday in the form of ceramics and biomax. I topped the ammonia up to 5ppm at 1-2pm and today it looks like it slightly dropped but not much! How long does this process usually take? Baring in mind i did completely start again draining the tank, cleaning the filter out and leaving to stand for a week to ensure all the bacteria that was there died off. Is it just a case of just waiting again and seeing if it takes effect? Will it be another 2 months or is it just down to luck. (How long is a piece of string lol)

Cheers Guys
 
Mine took 13 days to zero the first time after having my sponges in my biorb - fingers crossed for ya!!
K
 
Tank is still cycling but i have a completely off the subject question.

Im wanting to create a Malawi type of tank a complete change from what i currently have. I am going to use ocean rock mainly with some plastic plants. I currently have Gravel in the bottom of the tank and am thinking of changing it to sea sand.


Question is am i better off waiting until the tank has cycled completely before doing this? I was planning on draining half the tank then scooping all of the gravel out rather than take all of the water out completely. I have non of the materials yet but just asking in preperation. All in all i expect it to take an hr or 2 will this be ok having the filter off pre cycle? (Or once cycled if yo think thats better)

My Ph is around the 7.5 mark out of the tap and left for 36 hrs so hopefully adding ocean rock will raise the Ph to 8.5 which is what im aiming for.

Cheers guys
 
Id do it before the cycle, some bacteria do grow on/in your substrate so you will chuck some out if you wait till after.

K
 
Id do it before the cycle, some bacteria do grow on/in your substrate so you will chuck some out if you wait till after.

K

Ah Iv just seeded the tank on Monday hmm big decisions! May leave it not sure what it will look like with ocean rock and gravel. (creating an African cichlid tank) would it greatly stop the cycle if I were to change it or delay things big time? Dunno if I should add the sand or wait until inknow it's cycled couldn't bare breaking it haha if theres hope it's going to cycle soon!
 
If you start drastically altering water levels and turn your filter off at this stage you could set your cycle back, and if you add sand now you could choke your bio media

I think it`s much better to finish cycling then test all parameters including hardness and pH before deciding which fish to keep
 
If you start drastically altering water levels and turn your filter off at this stage you could set your cycle back, and if you add sand now you could choke your bio media

I think it`s much better to finish cycling then test all parameters including hardness and pH before deciding which fish to keep

Will dobthat wait till cycled once cycled if I need or decide to go with sand would it be ok changing once cycled? So once cycled change for sand at this point will I test to ensure 5ppm is still being processed within 12hrs? Is so great? If not leave and wait again?
 
I haven`t used sand myself, but I`ve read of guys having problems with filters after adding it

Once your filter is cycled your tap water pretty much dictates whether you can keep the hard water species, otherwise you end up having to mess with your water chemistry after every water change
 
Added the ammonia and new filter media in the form of ceramics and biomax on Monday today's results are:

Ammonia - 2.4
Nitrite - o
Nitrate - ever so slight amount
Ph - 7.5

Has been on the 2.4 ammonia for a few days. Hope this drops seemed to hand around 2.4 last time.
 

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