Seeding A New Filter - How

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JMcQueen

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I've been using a pair of  fluval u3's for the last few years and, over the years, they've gotten a little damaged to the point where they need replacing. I've purchased a Fluval 306 as I want to move to an external filter so I'll need to seed it to get it processing. 
 
My question is, how much material from the U3's do I need to transfer over to start the new filter off? Obviously I'll be monitoring the ammonia levels and doing water changes as necessary but how long does it typically take to rebuild a colony large enough to process the tank ammonia? 
 
I would suggest running both filter simultaneously for a couple weeks.  At the same time, moving some of the existing filter media to the new filter will help.  Another method is to use one of the reliable bacterial supplements.
 
The time to establish a new filter varies depending upon several factors, but it is quicker than many realize.  There are nitrifying bacteria all over the aquarium, on every surface, not just in the filter, so it is unlikely you would have issues.  When I rinse my canisters, I do it under the tap in heavily-chlorinated water, but I have never had ammonia or nitrite above zero; I do have lots of plants and this helps.  But assuming the tank is biologically balanced, not overcrowded or overfed, you should have no issues.
 
Byron.
 
Whenever I start up a new physical filter, I take ALL of the media from the old filter and put whatever fits inside the new one. Then, if space allows, I also use the new media that came with the new filter. If not much of the established filter stuff fits, then, yes, by all means continue to run the old one if needed, but slowly cycle its contents out of service while the new media takes hold.
 
Gvilleguy said:
Whenever I start up a new physical filter, I take ALL of the media from the old filter and put whatever fits inside the new one. Then, if space allows, I also use the new media that came with the new filter. If not much of the established filter stuff fits, then, yes, by all means continue to run the old one if needed, but slowly cycle its contents out of service while the new media takes hold.
 
thats pretty much what I've done. I was able to get 4 out of the six foam pads in the new filter (under the new pads) and all of the ceramic noodles. My intention was to remove one pad a month until only the new media remains. 
 
In moving over the media, start with all the bio-media and if it all fits, you can replace the mech media. If all the bio-media doesn't fit, I tend to put it in the tank but away from the filter in or outlets. You want it to be able to function, but not as well as what is in the filter. After two weeks you can begin to remove it. The less you have in the water, the more you can remove in one go.
 
When the new filter is set up you can add ammonia sufficient to produce 2 ppm in your tank, Use the ammonia calculator on this site to determine how much ammonia this is and don't forget to subtract 10-15% of the supposed tank volume to allow for glass, decor, substrate etc. Wait 24 hours and test. If its at 0/0 and you can see nitrates, its ready for the fish. If not, just finish up the fishless cycle according to the directions on this site. Consider yourself at the point between the snack dose and the end of the cycle and that your 2 ppm addition is the first dose after the snack. Work with 2 ppm instead of 3 unless this is an African cichlid tank, in which case leave it at 3. it should not be more than a couple of days to get it up to full capacity.
 
I am not a fan of running two filters side by side to get the new one going. The reason is that the bacteria will always be found in the greatest numbers wherever in one's tanks it is the most favorable for them. For many this is in the bio-media in the filter. When setting up a new filter the bacteria in the old one don't just pack and move to the new one. What happens is that some of them are always motile and frequently flow can break pieces of the biofilm off. They will have a decent chance for some to end up in the new filter. Now what we want is for them to reproduce there, we want more bacteria in the new media than in the old. In the case of moving over the media but not all of it, we need to get the rest of it to end up in the new filter somehow.
 
While our bacterial colonies may be stable in terms of the number of bacteria there over time, the individual bacteria are constantly dividing and dying on a regular basis.So while the total colony functions the same, the individuals are constantly changing. And what causes more to die than are replaced in any one location is the reverse of what causes them to reproduce- too little vs excess nutrients- namely ammonia and nitrite. We have seeded the new filter by moving over media but have more media left behind.
 
By putting the extra old media in a less hospitable location it will still function some but it will cause the numbers in it to decrease and thus encourage those in the new media to increase. Even letting it float helps because the bacteria are photosensitive and that will help reduce their numbers.  But if we leave them in the old filter and put it on the new tank, we are providing a much better environment for them in the old media and that will slow or halt their numbers from shrinking which also means there will be less reproduction going in the new media.
 
Just one man's opinion here. But this is pretty much how I have replaced my bio-media over the years when I have had to and I have never had issues.
 
Oh yes this method works equally well whether you are replacing a filter or just the media only because it has clogged beyond cleaning or is falling apart.
 
I either move the media to the new filter, which is rare really as unless i am replacing a broken filter, i need the filter i'd be taking the media out of. I remove part media and add it into the new filter and put some of the new filters into the old

Mostly i just run the filters together, my preferred method, Or if i know i am going to need a filter i add it to my larger tanks prior to the new tank arriving, when it arrives i just move the running filter off my large tanks to the new. Never had a problem doing it that way, with either the tank i removed the spare from or the tank its been moved to
 
Hey TwoTank, I think they were adding the new filter to the existing tank with fish.
 
No, I think your misread the original post. The OP is chaniging filters entirely and wanted to know how to get the new filter seeded. But the issue is really not simply to seed it. the actual goalis to have all the bacteria in the old filter move to the new one. But what happens when all the old media doesn't fit into the new one? This is what I was addressing.
 
It doesn't matter if one is replacing the media in an existing filter or looking to change the entire filter or even to move the bacteria to a new filter on a new tank. The situations are pretty much the same. The question was what to do with the media from the older filter relative to the new filter, especially if all the old media does not fit conveniently into the new filter.
 
If all one is doing is adding a second filter to an established tank, none of this applies. In such a case there is already the needed amount of bacteria and all the addition of the new filter will do is to spread it out some. No filter or media is being removed in this case.
 
But if you are transferring the old media into a new filter and it wont all fit, it doesn't  matter if the new filter is going to be on an existing tank or a new one. It works the same. If you have more bio-media than fits well in the new filter it means there is still bacteria left behind. So we need a way to get it to "move" into the new bio-media or elsewhere in the tank. What I have outlined does this without creating cycling issues and then allows you to remove the excess media after some time knowing an important amount of the needed bacteria is not being removed with it.
 
People often confuse the the bacteria and the filter itself in thinking about this issue. The bacteria needed in any given tank does not need filter media or a filter to develop and establish. It only needs hard surfaces, circulation and the needed nutrients. When properly used and maintained filters offer a great place for them to live but it is far from the only place in a tank that the bacteria can live and do their "job".
 
Twotank Iguess I did misunderstand. I thought the OP already has fish in tank and you were talking about adding ammonia for a fish less cycle.
 
Plenty of room to store all contents from both the U3's in the 306 just swap/cut the foams put this in the bio foam trays for now, throw in the existing biomax in with the new biomax don't use the carbon media in the top tray put more ceramic in it then after a few weeks you can put the new foams in. if all or the majority of the media is swapped over no need to run anything simultaneously
 
 

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