Seachem Flourish Comprehensive

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julielynn47

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Do any of you use Seachem Flourish Comprehensive in your tanks that have shrimp in them?

I have been using the liquid and the root tabs and my plants are growing and look so good. Just want to be sure that it won't hurt the shrimp. I don't think it will. But I would like to hear from others on this who have used it in their tanks with shrimp.
 
Provided you do not overdose, Flourish Comprehensive will not harm invertebrates (shrimp, snails) or fish. The level of copper (which is usually the mineral most are concerned with) is not anywhere near high enough to harm them, again provided you do not overdose.

You might have more copper in your municipal water than in Flourish Comp. Not suggesting you do, but we often forget that municipal water may contain heavy metals like copper, and the level of copper allowed by law in water is safe for humans but not for fish.

Generally with this product, use less and increase only if the plants show signs of needing this. The balance between light intensity and nutrients is sometimes finicky and may take a few weeks to sort out. But the advice of people like Tom Barr that one should always start minimally with fertilizers and increase only to the level needed is sound. I have had brush algae suddenly appear solely from using a double dose of Flourish Comprehensive; when the dose was halved, the algae disappeared. This occurred twice, and the second time I controlled the experiment, so I know it was accurate. I have found a partial dose of Flourish Trace actually benefits the plants more that using a full dose of Comp. I use both, but at less than recommended doses.

The substrate tabs are ideal. To lessen the liquid additives, I am now replacing the tabs every two months (they recommend 3-4 months) and the plants are thriving. And I have very soft water, so these alone are supplying sufficient hard minerals which had been lacking previously. I use the tabs next to the larger plants, like swords, lotus, aponegeton. I do not use them dispersed, just one next to a plant.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the liquid plant additives are in the water and thus inside all the fish. Less is always better for the fish.

Byron.
 
The substrate tabs are ideal.

Which substrate tabs are you using? I can't seem to find any seachem flourish ones except excel; are they ok?

Could be that I'm in the UK I suppose?
 
Which substrate tabs are you using? I can't seem to find any seachem flourish ones except excel; are they ok?

Could be that I'm in the UK I suppose?
Seachem markets Flourish Root Tabs which is completely different than Excel. Excel is glutaraldehyde a chemical marketed as liquid carbon but is a very strong sterilization chemical used for heat sensitive medical and dental equipment. Some swear by it, but I wouldn't use it in my aquarium.
 
Seachem markets Flourish Root Tabs which is completely different than Excel. Excel is glutaraldehyde a chemical marketed as liquid carbon but is a very strong sterilization chemical used for heat sensitive medical and dental equipment. Some swear by it, but I wouldn't use it in my aquarium.

That's really interesting. When I started in this hobby about 8yrs ago I was advised to use Excel (and something else that I can't remember the name of right now!) because my plants weren't doing very well and kept dying on me! I used it religiously for about 2 months and at the end of that time my plants didn't seem much different but my fish weren't happy. So I gave up and tbh I pretty much gave up hope of having a nice planted tank. I just used to buy cabomba throw it in and buy some more when the first lot had disintegrated.

I started researching plants for my betta tank recently and seeing all the beautiful pictures of planted tanks has made me want to have another go.

Maybe the excel was at least a part of the problem last time. So I've ordered some Flourish comprehensive liquid and some flourish root tabs. Lets see if that helps me to grow decent plants!!
 
Michael has answered your post #4 question, and you seem to have found them. I concur with his comments on Excel. This is a so-called liquid carbon supplement, but once a tank is established you will have naturally-occurring CO2 primarily from the organics being broken down by bacteria in the substrate. I have never added any form of "carbon" to my tanks and they are fairly heavily planted. The thing is to select plants that are not fussy.

Cabomba was mentioned...this falls apart in my tanks too. This plant needs very good light, and then good nutrients. Try different plants. Different plant species have differing requirements when it comes to light intensity and nutrients, but the nice thing is that there are plants that will grow well in any setup with decent lighting.

Byron.
 
Just a quick followup on plants. For substrate you really need medium to coarse sand or fine gravel. I'm using silica (pool filter) sand, but many use big box store play sand. Then you'll need root tabs for rooted plants (and stem plants that root) as well as ferts for the water column. You don't need a lot, but just enough to feed the plants and get them off to a good start. I like to use the least amount possible, but enough to keep plants healthy (I really don't care about fast growth as that just means more work trimming!). Finally as Byron points out, you need to select plants that will do well in low-medium light as there are many plants that require high light and won't do well in a low tech aquarium (where high tech is bright light, CO2 and more ferts).
 
Thanks for the info Byron and AbbeysDad - I also have the issue of a common pleco who likes to do his own aquascaping and plant rearranging so planted plants don't stay planted for very long :rolleyes::) I'm currently trialling plants that can beattached to stones and wood!!
 
I have tried many different plants, and the only ones that I have tried that really do good for me are the Amazon Swords, Water Wisteria, Java Fern, Anacharis , Hornwort and Dwarf Annubias (spelling??) I think it is because they don't require adding C02 or strong lighting.

I decided that I would just stick with what lives and give up on the other stuff. Although there is one plant that I would like to try that I have never tried before and that is Water Sprite. When I begin gathering my plants for the 75 gallon I am going to get some of that and give it a go.
 

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