Quick Question

[Back in the fold]

I just read a post where someone said Dwarf Gourami's have TB and that's not the first time I've read about sickly Dwarf Gorami's. Why doesn't some collector go to Southeast Asia and bring in some new blood ?

 

[connorlindeman]

I just read a post where someone said Dwarf Gourami's have TB and that's not the first time I've read about sickly Dwarf Gorami's. Why doesn't some collector go to Southeast Asia and bring in some new blood ?

no one cares enough to i guess. the breeders still make lots of money from the current stock so no reason to get new blood

 

[Valkyrie_Lips]

I'm not sure about TB but dwarfs are prone to dwarf gourami disease. That's exactly what I was thinking, profits. Big chain pet stores don't care where their fish come from as long as they have enough to stock their tanks.

 

[Valkyrie_Lips]

Plus if the fish they sell keep getting sick/dying then it's more likely that the customer will keep coming back for replacements and/or medications. All about the $$$. Though I'm sure like with any species there are responsible breeders out there somewhere.

 

[Colin_T]

I just read a post where someone said Dwarf Gourami's have TB and that's not the first time I've read about sickly Dwarf Gorami's. Why doesn't some collector go to Southeast Asia and bring in some new blood ?

The wild fish are the red & blue striped variety and not the flame or cobalt blue varieties. So even if someone goes bush and gets some new bloodlines, they have to spend years making new colour forms again and they won't do that.

Then you have the major fish farms in Asia who won't kill all their stock, sterilise their ponds and tanks, and start again. Why would they? You have people with dirt ponds and glass jars making heaps of money selling fish that can carry a disease that can't be spotted until it is too late. And they aren't going to spend thousands of dollars and start their breeding programs all over just because the fish might have TB and the Iridovirus.

Many fish in Asia are on the endangered species list due to habitat destruction and chemicals getting into the water ways. Assuming there are any wild fish left, the governments probably have laws saying no collecting.

 

[Back in the fold]

That's just swell @Colin_T thanks for painting such a pretty picture but you're right. But who cares about the color morphs ? Somebody could sure go into the deepest wilds and collect some healthy fish . Aren't there any intrepid collectors left in the world ?

 

[outofwater]

That's just swell @Colin_T thanks for painting such a pretty picture but you're right. But who cares about the color morphs ? Somebody could sure go into the deepest wilds and collect some healthy fish . Aren't there any intrepid collectors left in the world ?

You have to wear a mask, gloves and have a shot passport to go to most of the world these days. Intrepid? We have become, if anything; tepid to an extreme.

 

[connorlindeman]

You have to wear a mask, gloves and have a shot passport to go to most of the world these days. Intrepid? We have become, if anything; tepid to an extreme.

Isnt that so stupid?

 

[AmyKieran]

Isnt that so stupid?

Yes it is stupid

In the uk you need to show a negative pcr test result to get on a plane to most of the world unless you are fully vaccinated.

The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from having covid it just lessens the serious impact on your health. So you could get on a plane with covid just because your vaccinated

The whole thing is stupid

 

[Back in the fold]

Then all is lost for we have become wusses. Part wimp , part puss, Wuss.

 

[GaryE]

The gourami problem is Iridovirus. They were banned from a lot of countries (like mine) for a long time unless they had a veterinary certification, because the chance of Iridovirus spreading isn't known. It could affect wild stocks.

I doubt the colour varieties are line bred. I suspect a little test tube, gene splicing work a trade secret as
GMO fish are banned in a few lucrative markets, largely for copyright reasons.

The problem with Mycobacter is the farms, and not their stock. In the lifetimes of people I know, tuberculosis was a serious human problem. Antibiotic resistant strains may make it so again. It's a crowding disease, currently often a prisons problem, and fishfarms are pretty crowded places. It's incurable in fish. I caught the fish version years ago (for us it's skin sores, curable by 6 month antibiotic cocktail treatments - don't get it...) so I admit, I've paid a little more attention to it than most.

It's around in the wild and most likely in a great majority of farmed fish, shortening their lives. No one likes to talk about it as it's bad for business, but I have heard up to 85% of fish tested on some farms were carriers. I can cite no sources.

Collect wilds, put them on a fishfarm and bang, watch it spread. I got some fish collected by an acquaintance and left at a fish farm for breeding 6 months after they had arrived, and they all succumbed to tb within a few weeks. New disease, no resistance, easily spread...

You have to wear a mask, gloves and have a shot passport to go to most of the world these days. Intrepid? We have become, if anything; tepid to an extreme.

If you have a for profit medical system, the idea of taking your chances seems fine. There's money to be made from you. If you have a country with socialized medicine, where we all pay for the selfishness of some, then you want to discourage the anti-vaxxer fringe in other countries from coming. They aren't going to respect the rules of the country they visit, so set up rules to make them feel very unwelcome. Every country has ways of deciding who gets in, or not.

 

[outofwater]

Then all is lost for we have become wusses. Part wimp , part puss, Wuss.

The 4th turning is inevitable . But I'll keep going with my little fishies

 

[Back in the fold]

The 4th turning is inevitable . But I'll keep going with my little fishies

The Fourth Turning. That got my curiosity up and I looked into it. Exactly as Karl Marx saw it. Society moves in predictable patterns and things that must be will be. Nobody can stop it. We are definitely at the crisis point. I wonder how Bezos , Musk and Branson will like digging in the dirt like the rest of us ?

 

[GaryE]

What I like about prophetic visions like the 4th turning is they can be whatever the person buying them thinks they are.
People on the right wring their hands and see collapse due to left wing ideas, people on the left see collapse coming because of right wing ideas, and people into non-secular collapses earnestly hope this wonderful place gets destroyed by an apocalypse. We do seem to like to hope for a good crisis.

Meanwhile, Iridovirus and Mycobacter marinum are real, and if we get fancy gouramis, I prophesize that our chances of seeing those diseases in action are pretty high.

 

[Colin_T]

I doubt the colour varieties are line bred. I suspect a little test tube, gene splicing work a trade secret as
GMO fish are banned in a few lucrative markets, largely for copyright reasons.

Cobalt blue and flame red dwarf gouramis have been around since the mid 80s and are line bred, not GM.