Questions regarding fish TB

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So I have been reading things in Manual of Fish Health and this forum and have a bunch of questions regarding fish TB:

1. Why TB are common in fish from south/asian farm?
2. Can fish get TB even if you don’t buy new fish?
3. I always have cuts on my hand (I don’t know how?) How many percent can glove prevent you from the disease?
4. Speaking of gloves; What kind of gloves are fish safe?
 
2. i think it can be transmitted by anything, such as the decor or water of an infected tank.
3. near 100% if you buy the right ones. you can sanitize and wash your hands and arms thoroughly after to make sure.
4. any type of long rubber glove as long as it wasn't stored or used with chemicals and the fish can't bite through it.
i don't know the answer to the first one
 
So I have been reading things in Manual of Fish Health and this forum and have a bunch of questions regarding fish TB:

1. Why TB are common in fish from south/asian farm?
Fish Tuberculosis (Mycobacterium species) are commonly found in Asian fish farms where the bacteria live on the bottom of the rearing ponds and can infect the fish that get put into the ponds. Fish ingest the TB cells when they pick at dead contaminated fish or pick up stuff off the bottom.

In addition to this, Mycobacteria have a waxy coating over their cells and this allows them to survive drying out in the sun, and most chemicals do not affect them because the chemicals/ medications can't get through the waxy coating.

2. Can fish get TB even if you don’t buy new fish?
If there is Mycobacteria in the tank, then any fish added to that tank can catch it. Bottom dwelling fishes and fish that pick at things on the bottom are more likely to get it. However, fish can pick up the TB cells from plant leaves and algae on the glass.

3. I always have cuts on my hand (I don’t know how?) How many percent can glove prevent you from the disease?
Gloves that prevent aquarium water getting on your skin will prevent 100% of the bacteria from getting into your cuts. You should wash the gloves with warm soapy water after working in the tank. You should also wash your hands and arms after working in a tank if you don't wear gloves.

If you can't wear gloves or wash up after working in an aquarium, wash your hands and arms with 30%+ alcohol and let it dry.

4. Speaking of gloves; What kind of gloves are fish safe?
You can use any type of rubber gloves but make sure they are free of chemicals. Most people just use normal washing up gloves, the same type you use to do the dishes.
 
Thanks for the info!
So what are the symptoms of fish TB? (Both human and fish)
 
Fish infected with TB do not show any symptoms until the infected organ fails/ ruptures. Then the fish bloats up overnight, stops eating, does a stringy white poop, hangs out by the surface or near a filter outlet, and dies within 24 hours of showing these symptoms.

There is no cure for fish infected with TB.

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FISH TB IN PEOPLE
When people get a localised fish TB infection, they get a small sore that doesn't heal. Over time it can turn into a lump called a granuloma and as the infection spreads, the sore will get bigger and look like an ulcer.

Treatment involves taking a swab of the infected area and sending it off to be cultured in a lab. After they have cultured the swab, the bacteria is identified and various medications used on it. When the best medication is found, the doctor is informed and they give you a prescription for anti-biotics.

It can take months to treat a fish TB infection in people so the sooner it is identified, the better.

If you get a sore on your skin that doesn't heal after a couple of weeks, tell your doctor you keep fish and have concerns about fish TB (Mycobacterium species), and that you want the wound swabbed and sent off for culture.

Do not take anti-biotics or medications before the wound has been swabbed, cultured and the disease organisms identified.

Lots of people do take medication straight away and most anti-biotics do not work on fish TB, and the wrong anti-biotics simply make the strain of Mycobacteria more drug resistant. So always get the wound swabbed, cultured and identified before taking medication for it.

While you wait for the lab results (they take about 1-2 weeks), you can try applying raw honey to the wound. Wash and dry the wound, then get some honey and rub it into the wound. Put a bandage on it and keep it dry. Then wash, dry and replace the honey and bandage 2 times a day.

Do not use sticky bandages or band-aids because these can damage the skin when you remove them and the infection can spread to the damaged tissue. Just use a material band-aid or tissue wrapped around the finger and held in place with tape. The tape goes over the tissue and does not touch the skin.

Honey has a lot of anti-microbial properties and can treat a lot of minor infections. Honey from bees living in Eucalypt or tea tree forests, or Manuka honey is the best and has the most anti-microbial properties.

Honey probably won't treat Mycobacterium infections but it can still be tried. Wounds treated with honey usually show a major improvement after 3-4 days.

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Most people that develop fish TB infections are old or have a weakened immune system (people with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hepatitis, etc). They have an open wound (cut or scratch) on their skin and get TB contaminated water on and in the wound. The bacteria then set up home in the wound and slowly spread over a course of months.

Rubber gloves will prevent the water getting onto your skin and stops any TB cells from getting onto/ into wounds on your skin.

Washing your hands and arms with warm soapy water after working in a fish tank will normally get rid of any TB cells on the skin. Washing your hands 2 or 3 times with warm soapy water is more likely to get rid of all the TB cells, if you don't wash up well.

Most healthy people with fish never get fish TB. I had it in my tanks for nearly 20 years and I worked in my tanks every day. I also worked in the pet shop tanks every day and I never caught it. I do know a few people that have caught fish TB and they had open wounds on their skin and they worked in lots of tanks with fish that had fish TB.
 
So I have been reading things in Manual of Fish Health and this forum and have a bunch of questions regarding fish TB:

1. Why TB are common in fish from south/asian farm?
2. Can fish get TB even if you don’t buy new fish?
3. I always have cuts on my hand (I don’t know how?) How many percent can glove prevent you from the disease?
4. Speaking of gloves; What kind of gloves are fish safe?
Be careful. It is believed that TB can be transmitted through wounds.
 
Human TB is a crowding disease. It spreads easily in prisons, for example. Fish farms create those conditions for the fish version of the bacterial disease, often caused by Mycobacter marinum. Pretty well every species group has its own Mycobacter, as it's a tough and opportunistic family.

It's a sneaky one. The fish catches it, and encysts it internally. That's a cause of crooked spines and such, a symptom. It depends on where the cyst is. As it advances (and it can sit encysted for a long time, so a fish can be a carrier for many months to years) it often forms a rectangular plaque type sore on the flanks of the fish. That's a rainbowfish special, as they are very often hit with it.

In most cases, it radically shortens the life of the victim. A fish that might live 12 years gets 3 or 4. But as infected fish die, the bacteria break out of the cysts, and can explode into an epidemic and take out a lot of fish. Never leave a dying fish to die in the home tank. Never buy a deformed or unhealthy looking fish out of pity. "Rescue Bettas" are time bombs.

I caught this disease through a cut. It was cured with an antibiotic cocktail taken daily for six months. This wasn't fun. I saw a rectangular plaque on the back of my hand, and it looked like what I had seen on fish. A second appeared on my wrist, and off to a dermatologist I went. It didn't hurt, and the plaques never became sores as I acted promptly. I still have a scar from the biopsy, but that's all. If I am given a test for tb, I will test positive for antibodies, forever.

My doctor taught dermatology at a major university medical school, and mine was the first case he'd seen. I was very popular with his students. Transfer to humans is rare and tends to need special circumstances. I had 2 jobs, a family and was caring for a dying family member. I was exhausted, and therefore vulnerable. If I encountered it now, I doubt I would catch it. The only other person I know who caught it was an alcoholic, and was in rough shape. Generally, you can fight it off easily if you are healthy. If you are at all immune compromised, be careful.

The bacteria can't live in our bodies. We're too warm. It hangs on on the surface, in our lymphatic system just below the skin, where we are cooler. It travels slowly as it colonizes us. It is a serious annoyance - no more than that.

Gloves. You need them up to your elbow. I avoid water changes if I have fresh cuts, but my main response has been to proceed as if every farmed fish has it dormant. I wash my hands after work in the tanks, and let cuts heal without wetting them. I don't use gloves myself.

It can be from wild caught fish (there's a thread right now) but that's rare. I isolate my wild caught and farmed fish for at least a generation. I don't combine them. I've never seen a wild caught fish show any symptoms here, unless I put a farmed fish in the tank. Once I learned that, it has been confined to some farmed fish only. I no longer keep rainbowfish, sadly.
 

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