Python Water Changer....

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ok i have read posts about how good the python or diy versions can be, but 1 quick question..... i have always been told not to use warm water from the tap as it has travelled through the copper pipes, the water tank, through the water heater etc etc giving it more contamination than the cold water tap. is this true or have i been boiling kettle after kettle after kettle for no reason? does the water conditioner cover you for extra contamination caused by water tanks, heaters etc?

ooops sorry thats 2 questions.......

they seem well used on this forum so cant be that bad i guess!!!
is it wort making/buying one?

i know thats the 3rd question but thats all, i promise :good:
 
Ive used warm water from the tap with no problems. At the time i was fish-in cycling so i was changing water often.

I dont bother now, i just do cold water changes. It simulates rainfall :p
 
Ive used warm water from the tap with no problems. At the time i was fish-in cycling so i was changing water often.

I dont bother now, i just do cold water changes. It simulates rainfall :p

It does however present a question for a 400L tank if you're looking at an 80% change in the middle of January. Bloody cold is one way of describing the tap water. A heart attack for fish is another. Thus I suggest a mixture and a two person job (one to adjust the taps, one to give feedback the other end).
 
Oh, well in such circumstances i have a modified attachment to go on the hot tap as well. :p

But for the summer i just do cold 50% and the temperature hardly drops.
 
ive got a mixer tap so its not too bad for me i just get the temp to where i want it and then run the tap and fill the tank i can't really do a coldwater change either as my tank is 825L so a bit too cold lol :good:
 
Yeah we have a mixer tap but I'm guessing you need to get the flow with the right hand-temperature then attach the pipe (showering the kitchen in the process) OR get your o/h on the other end to say cooler / warmer until you get it right.
 
my tap handle is a lift to startwater push to stop left for cold right for hot i just set it by hand of thermometer push it down to stop the water and the attach the hose and turn it on its allready set at the desired tamp i want then :good:
 
I think it also depends on what kind of water heater you have - water sitting in an imersion heater is much more likely to get a build up of something nasty than a wooshy boiler (sorry, always called em that) that heats the water as you use it - in that situation as long as you run both for a bit before putting in the tank (as you would anyway) then I dont see the issue.
 
my tap handle is a lift to startwater push to stop left for cold right for hot i just set it by hand of thermometer push it down to stop the water and the attach the hose and turn it on its allready set at the desired tamp i want then :good:
Yes, I have the same "perfect python" situation like that too, its a bathroom faucet (very modern single spout thing) which had temp adjustment completely separate from on/off/force because temp is sideways rotation, whereas on/off/force is up/down... its absolutely perfect for single-person distant tank refill situations. I've often recommended this to others, thinking of it as a choice thing when one is remodeling one of the house sinks... but I recently had a discussion with a person at a shop of plumbing fixtures and she said those types of models are still quite rare on typical faucets and there have actually seemed to be fewer models like this in recent years. Makes one wonder whether there might be some sort of less hit or miss solution out there in the professional restuarant world or something.

The other question is still something I find unsatisfying (vaguely) whenever it gets discussed here on TFF. I agree with jmkgreen that its not a question of us simply not needing it discussed because we can use cold. I feel that yes, we can all use just cold water in some situations when the overall tank volume and amount changed are small enough but that there are just times when people will either need to change larger percentages or when they are cycling and would rather do everything to keep the growth speed encouragement up as high as possible and so would like to "temperature match," making it a reasonable question about whether some pipes/boilers present a problem.

On TFF the question gets the added complication of us having mostly UK but also significant USA participation, not to mention all our valuable others out and about the world! I find myself sort of dissatisfied with both the USA "answer" that we have almost exclusively "fiberglass-lined" hot water heaters (tank style) and so have nothing to worry about and of course for me as a USA member, the answers for the UK side (who have attic tubs with dead birds and wooshy boilers and other unfathomable artifacts sounding like a movie set :lol: ) often digress into pure entertainment, lol.

On the USA side its true we mostly have these "glass-lined" electric or gas heated tanks and we mostly all agree there's not a worry of too much copper or other problem-causing metals... but one still hears occasionally that hot water sitting in copper pipes, even outside the hot water heater itself, will potentially acquire too much metal. In the USA one sometimes hears warnings to "run the water that's sat overnight out of your pipes" before filling the morning coffee-water kettle. I just wonder if anyone feels there's still a case for maybe doing copper measurements of if usable cheap/accurate testing is available/desired?

And on the UK side of this I've had a few UK members do some pretty nice explanations of the different household water systems in evidence historically thoughout the the islands over there, but there still seems to be room for someone to do a wonderful summary that explains the major divisions one could simplify it down to. To me it seems obvious there must be some of the old funny systems where there are open attic tubs for gravity feed (some say these are -always- heating system only and never part of the ground-pressure-fed drinking water pipes) but also systems with non-copper hot water tanks and also probably a lot of "instant" hot systems, which are more in evidence in Europe in general than in the states.

Any takers?
WD
 
the answers for the UK side (who have attic tubs with dead birds and wooshy boilers and other unfathomable artifacts sounding like a movie set :lol: )

I apologise for the wooshy boiler comment! :) lol

I guess it would take someone doing copper tests on first-thing-in-the-morning tap water and later-in-the-day tap water for all the different types of water tanks/heaters and compiling them together into a list. Presumably the age of your plumbing system would have a part to play as well...
 
Makes one wonder whether there might be some sort of less hit or miss solution out there in the professional restuarant world or something.

What d'you mean there WD?
O I'm just touched in the head now on this thing of having separate temperature and flow controls on faucets. (I've even got to replace the hardware in one of the showers and I've gone off to the showroom making sure to get ones with separate controls and it doesn't even have anything to do with filling fish tanks :lol: ) I don't really know what I meant by that comment.. it came from the discussion with the faucet showroom woman who was saying that she's seen fewer of the "separate function" types (eg. rotate for temp, lift for on/off/force (so therefor can set temp before connecting python and still get a temperature match)) in the last year or two. She said maybe in the professional restaurant world there would be more faucet control options.. I don't really know.

[wish I could go back to my big builtin tanks in my 7th grade science class :lol: ... those things had mixing taps (the entire faucet) right above the tank so that the aquarium itself was like the sink! (drain included, talk about convenient water changes!)]

WD
 

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