Project Pimp My Betta Tank!

How big would i need?
and yes cherry barbs, cheers. The price difference is only a bit when you get big. the small one i was looking at was almost as expensive as a big one. I dont know tank sizes but i want a fairly big one. might as well invest. :D What treatments would be good to get his fin in the best shape i dont use anything differnt for him now than the different fish so i need to get a few things just dont want to go into the fish shop and not know because their advice can be terrible. ie. a betta in a cold tank thats too small. ...
 
How big would i need?
and yes cherry barbs, cheers. The price difference is only a bit when you get big. the small one i was looking at was almost as expensive as a big one. I dont know tank sizes but i want a fairly big one. might as well invest. :D What treatments would be good to get his fin in the best shape i dont use anything differnt for him now than the different fish so i need to get a few things just dont want to go into the fish shop and not know because their advice can be terrible. ie. a betta in a cold tank thats too small. ...


Barbs can be terribly nippy, I personally wouldn't recommend it.

If you wanted red coloured fish, some that come to mind are ember tetras (an orange-red colour), cardinal tetras (which have a large red stripe) and playts. I don't think you'll be able to have the cardinals or platys in a 30L with a betta, though I'm not so sure about the ember tetras as they pretty much max out at about 2cm, though being tetras I would expect them to be rather active little fish.

I know you said you weren't sure about the shrimp, but have you seen blueberry shrimp before? I hadn't until my LFS mentioned them to me the other month. As the name suggests, they are blue and grow to around 4cm, which should be big enough to avoid any hungry bettas, especially if he seems to be pretty laid back.
 
Thanks for the recommendation of the blueberry shrimp Im definitely going to look into ordering him in if possible. I may not be the biggest fan yet but im sure ill grw more found of him when he's mine and they are very usefull. Thanks again for thinking of me. :D This forum is awesome.. :good:
 
Aquastar 80lt has been odered in at a good price..... It begins... :cool:
 
So stock list as it stands now...... Might supplement the barbs for something else if i find them troublesome.


Im getting a 80 lt long tank.
Neon tetras.
Endlers Livebearers.
Cheery Barbs
A few guppies.
Blueberry Shrimp.
Trumpet Snails
Netrith snails
Ghost Catfish.

Oh and the main pimp of my life my betta baby!

Plants, Jave Moss and Fern as i am new to plants so the easier the better.

So what do people think??? I want a really chilled tank that will make him happy out.
 
So stock list as it stands now...... Might supplement the barbs for something else if i find them troublesome.


Im getting a 80 lt long tank.
Neon tetras.
Endlers Livebearers.
Cheery Barbs
A few guppies.
Blueberry Shrimp.
Trumpet Snails
Netrith snails
Ghost Catfish.

Oh and the main pimp of my life my betta baby!

Plants, Jave Moss and Fern as i am new to plants so the easier the better.

So what do people think??? I want a really chilled tank that will make him happy out.

that tank setup would do fine, the endlers and guppies could be a prob if they have too long a tail length but mine seem fine with my betta. Cant see anything in there that could cause problems

actually, dont bother with the guppies, the bettas generally dont get on well with them
 
So stock list as it stands now...... Might supplement the barbs for something else if i find them troublesome.


Im getting a 80 lt long tank.
Neon tetras.
Endlers Livebearers.
Cheery Barbs
A few guppies.
Blueberry Shrimp.
Trumpet Snails
Netrith snails
Ghost Catfish.

Oh and the main pimp of my life my betta baby!

Plants, Jave Moss and Fern as i am new to plants so the easier the better.

So what do people think??? I want a really chilled tank that will make him happy out.
Seems like quite a few fish for an 80 liter. Keep in mind that some bettas fight and kill the endlers and guppies. I'd try and cut back on all the different schools of fish, maybe getting either the cherry barbs or the neons, and either endlers or guppies if either, then the ghost catfish.

If it were my tank, I'd stock at as such:

1 betta
6 ghost catfish
8 neon tetras
x shrimp (probably about 5, but I don't keep them as my other fish would eat them)
x snails (I don't really like snails, dunno how much should be in a tank)

Having so much different schools of fish would not make your tank feel very chilled. And I'd be slightly worried about the cherry barbs being nippy. I've never kept cherries in particular, but the barbs I have kept are very pesky.

I wouldn't feel too safe with the guppy thing, some people get good result with them and bettas, others get a bunch of dead guppies.
 
So stock list as it stands now...... Might supplement the barbs for something else if i find them troublesome.


Im getting a 80 lt long tank.
Neon tetras.
Endlers Livebearers.
Cheery Barbs
A few guppies.
Blueberry Shrimp.
Trumpet Snails
Netrith snails
Ghost Catfish.

Oh and the main pimp of my life my betta baby!

Plants, Jave Moss and Fern as i am new to plants so the easier the better.

So what do people think??? I want a really chilled tank that will make him happy out.


Guppies are a big no-no. Bettas will massacre any fish with long flowy fins, such as guppies. Your plan seems a little overstocked, and ghost catfish need to be in large groups lest they succumb to "sudden ghost catfish death syndrome"
 
I should say, everyone is saying don't put guppies and a betta together. My old male betta got on perfectly fine with a shoal of male guppies. It really is hit and miss with the guppy idea but don't get both endlers and guppies. Especially if your thinking of getting females, which isn't an idea anyway, because they will crossbreed.
I'm not too keen on neons and believe it or not our shoal was very nippy to our betta. I would recommend a shoal of either Red Tailed Rasboras or Emerald Eye Rasboras. My experience with them is that they are very peaceful and stick to themselves.
 
Hi Bri. I was just wondering if you had researched where Bettas come from and their behavior? It seems to me that you are wanting to make your fish happy by giving him lots of lively tank mates that are color co-ordinated which is all fine and well. But do you realise that Bettas are a solitary species? The males maintain and defend a small puddle or tact of rice paddy field and attack any others who come into their small, jealously-guarded domain - even females if its outside the breeding season. They don't live in vast river systems and travel great distances. They are essentially home-bodies and anti-social ones at that :/ Choosing tank mates that match his color could even provoke him to attack them (if he's that way inclined). Having said that, however, my sister and I used to keep a single male in our tropical tanks - even in the fishpond, with Goldfish, Jewel Cichlids, Guppies, Platys and Swordtails. Never had any trouble with them attacking tankmates but we may have just been lucky not to have scored particularly pugilistic males from our LFS. Basically, what I am suggesting is that if you really want your Betta to thrive, perhaps you could read up on what his natural environment would be like and go about creating a home for him based on that, rather than just going on what you think he should like and want in a home?:)
 
Hi Bri. I was just wondering if you had researched where Bettas come from and their behavior? It seems to me that you are wanting to make your fish happy by giving him lots of lively tank mates that are color co-ordinated which is all fine and well. But do you realise that Bettas are a solitary species? The males maintain and defend a small puddle or tact of rice paddy field and attack any others who come into their small, jealously-guarded domain - even females if its outside the breeding season. They don't live in vast river systems and travel great distances. They are essentially home-bodies and anti-social ones at that :/ Choosing tank mates that match his color could even provoke him to attack them (if he's that way inclined). Having said that, however, my sister and I used to keep a single male in our tropical tanks - even in the fishpond, with Goldfish, Jewel Cichlids, Guppies, Platys and Swordtails. Never had any trouble with them attacking tankmates but we may have just been lucky not to have scored particularly pugilistic males from our LFS. Basically, what I am suggesting is that if you really want your Betta to thrive, perhaps you could read up on what his natural environment would be like and go about creating a home for him based on that, rather than just going on what you think he should like and want in a home?:)
I woulda been more worried about the jewel cichlid killing everything than the betta fish getting territorial :crazy:
 
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I woulda been more worried about the jewel cichlid killing everything than the betta fish getting territorial :crazy:
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Yep, very true. We weren't very old at the time and didnt know we had a true breeding pair of Jewels until we found a couple of the goldfish floating. Investigation found the Jewels fanning a nest on a pot in the pond. Removed them and everyone was happy again. Learnt not to do that again. Jewels are quite tolerant of tank-mates until they breed :X

Bri:- While Bettas will often get along very placidly with other species of fish, the other species can often be more of a danger to your Betta. Barbs, especially, and Bumble Bee Gobys will nip the fins of their tank-mates, causing annoyance to the victim and the damage can cause fungal infections. If they shred enough of the victims fins, they can't swim and die. Bettas especially rely on their lovely finnage to support and balance them in the water. We found Sailfins, Guppies, Platys, Swordtails and Mollies to be mostly inoffensive toward the Betta though you get the odd rogue who will have a go. Other larger fish, like Goldfish (which shouldnt be in tropical tanks because they're coldwater species anyway but you'd be amazed how often I see it here) can buffet and knock the slower moving species around. Bettas, because they aren't built to move quickly or travel distances, cannot escape harassment from faster, nippier species and cannot dart out of the way of bigger, bulkier species. They don't like strong currents in the tank either - their natural environment is still, oxygen-poor water. They've developed labrynthine breathing apparatus in their head which allows them to utilise oxygen directly from the surface when their gills cannot get enough from the surrounding water. They can live a long time out of water as well, for this reason. We had one jump out of the tank and was still alive when we found it on the ground half an hour or so later. Put it back in the tank and it was ok again after a day or so.
Over-strong pump jets can cause the Betta to constantly struggle against the current and become generally weakened. My point is that sometimes we can assume that what would make us, as humans, happy, will make another species happy also. I hear many people say about the Bettas in the jars at the petshop: "thats cruel" - they assume all fish want lots of space to traverse and that they all want to swim in schools. A brief reflection on the natural habits/habitat of Bettas will reveal that these fish are happy in small water spaces and being alone most of the time. Its how they are made. If you want to go ahead and put other species in with your Betta, do so with caution. Hope you can post pix of your finished master-piece :)
 
Yep, very true. We weren't very old at the time and didnt know we had a true breeding pair of Jewels until we found a couple of the goldfish floating. Investigation found the Jewels fanning a nest on a pot in the pond. Removed them and everyone was happy again. Learnt not to do that again. Jewels are quite tolerant of tank-mates until they breed :X
Guess that really depends on the tank space and the individual. I put jewel cichlids up there with convicts and green terrors in terms of their aggressive behavior, breeding or not. You said it was a pond, right? They probably had plenty of space to take over an area of it and keep the more peaceful fish away. But the breeding probably made them take the entire pond as their territory and went all psycho on everything.
 
My own experience with Cherry Barbs, FWIW. I bought a pair, male and female. The male would NOT leave my Betta Rover alone. Poor Rover hid out in his cave and wouldnt come out. I removed the male and put him in another small tank alone for awhile to see if I could reintroduce him later. I waited about a month and a half and tried again. Not 10 minutes after he was put back he started going after Rover again AND my female Cherry. Well, that was it. I took him out again, packed him up and took him back to the store. I didnt want anything for him...just asked if they would take him back and find another home for him....they agreed.

So Rover now has a Balloon Molly, the female Cherry and 2 new golden Algae Eaters (got them today)as companions and my community is peaceful once again.

Good luck with your tank!
 
i really appreciate the replies guys and now that I have my projects in an inspection over with I can refocus on my fish.. I am thankful for the advice but i dono if has helped or just made me more unsure as to how to proceed. dam i was so close. :crazy: There are lovely small tanks in my LFS and they are not that expensive I just thought in the long run a bigger tank would be easier to maintain. Now i am not sure if its the best for my betta. :( ahhh. If i go with the small tank i dont think i will invest in the big one for a while. does anyone think a betta can be happy in a community tank, i dont mind swapping some of the smaller fish for more relaxed ones.
I would love a big tank with lots of small fish but the whole idea was to put the betta into a better home as he is at present in a cold small tank (plz dont give out i know) so now i am back at the beginning........ If i cut the stock down and plant it so that there are lots of nice spots would that be ok. like i know some people say that they should be put in small tanks but is this necessarily the case if there are lots of nice hiding spots and thing to interest him. You know I think i might go with the big tank and if he's happy move him into a smaller one. There is just no way to really know unitil i try, he is very relaxed perhapse to much and doesnt seem to be bother be other fishes activity as long as he gets his face time. he also like investigating snails and weird things in the tank.. I appreciate the cut down on fish as that always my problem, i do think i might attempt the guppies with the betta, he was in with a blck moore with huge fins and they got on well so i dont think he will have a problem.. but if i do see any issue its as easy to move him into the small one where as if i put him into the small one first i cant move him into the community...........
I am very bad for watching the tank so i think i would see issues nice and early and be able to take action.

I will drop the endlers and the cherry barbs for something else as they have been warned against.

So that leaves the neon tetras and guppies and ghost fish, shrimps, and snails, I know the guppies are a a bit of a risk but if i watch the tank like a hawk over christmas i will know if there is a problem.
 

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