Prime And Fertiliser At The Same Time?

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DeanoL83

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Hi,
 
I use Seachem prime as my dechlorinator everytime I do a water change.  After my water change, should I put my liquid fertiliser for my plants in straight away, or wait a day or two?  Just checking to see if the ferts and seachem react with each other or anything like that?
 
Thanks :)
 
I believe you should wait 24 hrs to add ferts.
 
I have always added everything at same time
 
according to tta and I believe seachem you should wait a day 
 
Fishmanic said:
according to tta and I believe seachem you should wait a day 
 
sorry, but what does tta stand for?
 
Never had an issue with it.....and as i said i dose daily so waiting 24 hours cannot happen
 
Alasse said:
Never had an issue with it.....and as i said i dose daily so waiting 24 hours cannot happen
 
What fertiliser do you use Alasse?  I only have API 'LeafZone' at the moment, and it uses a lot each time, so daily would be an expensive operation!
 
I went searching...curious. What i found on the Seachem website
 
"Prime can be used to condition the water and fertilizers dry or liquid can be mixed and dosed accordingly to the tank with no problem. Prime conditions water by detoxifying chlorine, chloramine, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and heavy metals found at low levels in water. Most macro nutrients such as N,P, K, and trace minerals will be fine to add."
 
I add excel, trace and flourish. And after a waterchange i specifically add them to get levels back up for the plants
 
I stand corrected. Twotankamin says you shouldnt dose seachem excel and prime on the same day. Other ferts would be fine to dose the same day. Dosing excel and prime on same day could lower oxygen levels.
 
This question of dosing Flourish after a water change using Prime came up elsewhere, and at the time I discussed it directly with Seachem.  Their recommendation was to wait 24+ hours after using Prime before adding Flourish, on the reasoning that Prime would make certain nutrients ineffective.  Heavy metals (copper, iron, zinc, nickel, etc) would be affected.
 
I do not use Prime myself, as I have no need for all that it does, but most conditioners do detoxify heavy metals, and I would suspect by similar methods though I have no absolute knowledge of how this works.  I used to wait the 24 hours, but for the past few months I have reverted to adding Flourish Comprehensive, Flourish Trace and Flourish Iron together, immediately following the water change.  I have not seen any negative difference, and in fact the plants seem to be better; I am wondering if this is because of the additional CO2 introduced with the water change.  I use Kordon's NovAqua Plus conditioner which does detoxify heavy metals.  My plants are thriving, and algae is negative, so this appears to be working.  I do know that without the fertilizers, my plants begin to deteriorate (I have very soft water), so I must assume the ferts are doing their work.
 
Seachem also stated that the heavy metal dedtoxification was only sufficient to handle "normal" levels of these metals in tap water, and Prime becomes ineffective after 24-36 hours with respect to any detoxifying (nitrite, nitrate, metals), except for ammonia which it changes to ammonium and this is permanent.
 
Byron.
 
Thanks for all the replies. It's easier for me to do them both at the same time (as im likely to forget otherwise) so will do that and see how it goes.

If it seems like the plants aren't flourishing then I'll try waiting a day.

Will have to get myself some flourish trace, flourish comprehensive etc.

Cheers.
 
DeanoL83 said:
Will have to get myself some flourish trace, flourish comprehensive etc.
 
You may not need all of these, it depends upon your set-up.  Flourish Comprehensive Supplement is probably the one to start with, as it contains all required nutrients (except oxygen, carbon and hydrogen which occur naturally) and is formulated for moderately hard water (the "hard" minerals in Flourish Comp are minimal because of this).  I used only this for several years, once or twice weekly [I could see differences between once/twice].  I experimented with Flourish Trace instead of a second weekly dose of Comp, and saw some improvement in esp the floating plants, and significantly less algae issues.  The Flourish Iron I only use in two tanks because of specific plants that have shown benefits from this addition.
 
The problem with over-dosing nutrients is that algae will take advantage.  It also wastes them, and they are not inexpensive.  And it adds to the TDS [total dissolved solids] if they are not needed by plants.  Depending upon your GH, plant species and fish load/feeding, the need for fertilizers will vary.
 
Byron.
 
Trace and Flourish are designed to work together.....best results are obtained when they are both used together
 
I am though swtiching over to a different local made brand once these run out
 

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