Possible Stock List.....?

[Ifti]

I have a 48litre tank.......while I wait for it to cycle, Im thinking of the fish I'd like.
I would like them to be quite small, since I dont have a large tank etc.

4x Zebra Danio
4x Leopard Danio
3x Dwarf/Honey Gourami
3x Guppies

Will I be able to keep a Betta with the above?

Also Im after 1 or 2 bottom feeders??

Am I putting too much in?

 

[KittyKat]

4x Zebra Danio
4x Leopard Danio
3x Dwarf/Honey Gourami

Ouch, both danios require at least a 3 ft tank because they're too active for anything smaller and should be kept in groups of 6+ each. The gouramis will probably go on a murder spree in a tank that size.

3x Guppies

Would work..

Will I be able to keep a Betta with the above?

Gouramis are not compatible with Bettas, while danios are usually too active for Bettas. Guppies and Bettas are generally a bad idea.

Also Im after 1 or 2 bottom feeders??

6 dwarf of pygmy Corys are basically the only option for a tank that size.

Am I putting too much in?

Yes, going by the original list. This is the sort of stocking I would look at..
* 6 ember tetras or espei (not harlequin) rasboras
* 6 dwarf Corys (or even better, a group of cherry shrimp)
* a single honey gourami would fit, but they seem to do better in groups.. alternatively a single dwarf gourami or Betta, but it might not be compatible with shrimp.. but if you want one of these options, I would probably not have the mid-water schooling fish

..the other option being..
* 3-4 male guppies
* 6 dwarf Corys or a group of cherry shrimp

 

[Paradise3]

4x Zebra Danio
4x Leopard Danio
3x Dwarf/Honey Gourami

Ouch, both danios require at least a 3 ft tank because they're too active for anything smaller and should be kept in groups of 6+ each. The gouramis will probably go on a murder spree in a tank that size.

3x Guppies

Would work..

Will I be able to keep a Betta with the above?

Gouramis are not compatible with Bettas, while danios are usually too active for Bettas. Guppies and Bettas are generally a bad idea.

Also Im after 1 or 2 bottom feeders??

6 dwarf of pygmy Corys are basically the only option for a tank that size.

Am I putting too much in?

Yes, going by the original list. This is the sort of stocking I would look at..
* 6 ember tetras or espei (not harlequin) rasboras
* 6 dwarf Corys (or even better, a group of cherry shrimp)
* a single honey gourami would fit, but they seem to do better in groups.. alternatively a single dwarf gourami or Betta, but it might not be compatible with shrimp.. but if you want one of these options, I would probably not have the mid-water schooling fish

..the other option being..
* 3-4 male guppies
* 6 dwarf Corys or a group of cherry shrimp

Red = I disagree.
My answer to the red writing is;
Not true. They could choose Otocinclus catfish or basically any cory's. I had a group of 4 hi-fin bronze in my 48ltr tank before I got an axolotl.

You could have,
1x Male betta.
5x otocinclus catfish/cory's/.
6x Ember tetras or espei (not harlequin) rasboras.

Or,

6-7x female betta's.
A couple of male guppies(females get on with guppies better than males do)
10x cherry shrimp or 6x amano shrimp.

Cheers,
Paradise<3!

 

[KittyKat]

Also Im after 1 or 2 bottom feeders??

6 dwarf of pygmy Corys are basically the only option for a tank that size.

Red = I disagree.
My answer to the red writing is;
Not true. They could choose Otocinclus catfish or basically any cory's. I had a group of 4 hi-fin bronze in my 48ltr tank before I got an axolotl.

Corys are schooling so should be kept in groups of at least 6, they will survive in smaller groups, but will not thrive as well as in larger groups. Any Cory larger than a dwarf or pygmy (3cm) would barely have enough room to turn around in a tank that size, especially in a decent school, let alone have a good swim. So, only dwarf/pigmy or any other Cory which is under 3cm when adult (and those two are the only two I have ever heard of, of that size).

Otos do considerably better in larger tanks.

 

[Paradise3]

Also Im after 1 or 2 bottom feeders??

6 dwarf of pygmy Corys are basically the only option for a tank that size.

Red = I disagree.
My answer to the red writing is;
Not true. They could choose Otocinclus catfish or basically any cory's. I had a group of 4 hi-fin bronze in my 48ltr tank before I got an axolotl.

Corys are schooling so should be kept in groups of at least 6, they will survive in smaller groups, but will not thrive as well as in larger groups. Any Cory larger than a dwarf or pygmy (3cm) would barely have enough room to turn around in a tank that size, especially in a decent school, let alone have a good swim. So, only dwarf/pigmy or any other Cory which is under 3cm when adult (and those two are the only two I have ever heard of, of that size).

Otos do considerably better in larger tanks.

My cory's were fine in a 4 they even spawned a couple of times. The female then died but the 3 males still got on fine and were more active than the groups I've seen in my friends tank.
My otto's were also fine in a group of 4 in the 12 gallon, until one of them killed his friends. I then kept him alone as he killed anything that I tried adding, like extra otto's, in a 6 gallon with 1 female betta and 2 male guppies.

Cheers,
Paradise<3!

 

[KittyKat]

Corys are schooling so should be kept in groups of at least 6, they will survive in smaller groups, but will not thrive as well as in larger groups. Any Cory larger than a dwarf or pygmy (3cm) would barely have enough room to turn around in a tank that size, especially in a decent school, let alone have a good swim. So, only dwarf/pigmy or any other Cory which is under 3cm when adult (and those two are the only two I have ever heard of, of that size).

Otos do considerably better in larger tanks.

My cory's were fine in a 4 they even spawned a couple of times. The female then died but the 3 males still got on fine and were more active than the groups I've seen in my friends tank.
My otto's were also fine in a group of 4 in the 12 gallon, until one of them killed his friends. I then kept him alone as he killed anything that I tried adding, like extra otto's, in a 6 gallon with 1 female betta and 2 male guppies.

Have you ever observed a decent sized school of Corys in a large aquarium for comparison? The behaviour and general health difference between individuals in a small tank and a large school in a large tank is very big.

As for the Oto, there is a good chance that you had the problems exactly because there was no space for the weaker fish to get away to and because the group was not large enough for the aggression to be spread between all fish.

Bettas and male guppies can work, they even have for me, but there is a much higher chance of problems than success. It does very much depend on individual fish.

 

[Moley.]

Trouble is with the internet is that people read that a certain fish type need to be kept in a group of 'x' size and often without any direct experience they take this info aboard as theirre own knowledge.

The internet is full of 'know alls' who know so very little.

 

[Paradise3]

That's why I work with personal experience. My lone oto wasn't aggressive until I added 2 male guppies to the original shoal of guppies. The tank was 12 gallons and they were 1" long, the always stayed that. Yes I have witnessed the comparison of cory's. My friends tank is 4ft long and has a group of 10 in it. They are very well looked after yet they weren't as active as mine.

Cheers,
Paradise<3!