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Plec Suddenly A Recluse

So last night I went and looked at the tank after lights out (still had dull lighting from another source) and they were everywhere! It was crazy - I found a little spot where about 5 were hanging earlier in the day and put out a sweet potato nearby (the other tank inhabitants are less fond of those) and before lights out I had seen a fry or two on there. After lights out though, there seriously were just tons. My wife counted 10 on her side of the tank she was looking at and I saw 11 more on my side, and that is with them being 1cm long and many of them being albino (is it common to have a batch in which there are so many albinos and regular ones)? I must have counted 8 albino.

Anyhow, now I have to start fighting the battle to get some of my MTS out of the tank because I'm leaving a pretty constant supply of veggies in the tank and they swarm. It is annoying that it is hard to keep their numbers down, but they really do do wonders to keep the tank clean so I can't be too upset with them.

I didn't want to spook them all last night since it was the first day / night that many of them came out of hiding, so if I happen to see them all out partying again tonite I'll try to snap some photos.
 
Sounds like your plecs have done well. :good: As for so many being albinos that depends on the genetics of the plecs, if both plecs have a gene each for albino skin colour then 50% of your plecs will be normal and 50% will be albino. In which case I wouldn't be surprised, plecs come in lots of different colours, saw a lemon BN plec the other day, looked amazing but seeming as he was only 1cm long my krib would of proberly tried to eat him.

What are you going to do with all your fry? I'm going to guess that you won't have enough room for all your fry once their fully grown seeming as you seem to have loads. :lol: Sounds like they at a good size to maybe sell to your lfs. Would love to see the new photos once you have a chance. :good:
 
Keep the updates coming :good:

I can just imagine wee fry out partying :lol:

Has with your albino/normal colouring,i have 3 albino cories and the first 2-3 batches were all albinos,then they had a batch of both,since then the majority of albino spawns have produced bronze fry and no albinos?,so bit like yours must be in the genes. :rolleyes:
Its interesting to see the colour variations from the same batch though :)
keep the pics coming. :good:
 
Thats great news, glad it was fry and not him ill, what colour are the parents? sometimes its quite common to get some albinos in there even with 2 common coloured parents.

I'd make sure theres a few bits of veg in the tank at all times, replaced daily with fresh

Congrats :D
 
Duz said:
Sounds like your plecs have done well. :good: As for so many being albinos that depends on the genetics of the plecs, if both plecs have a gene each for albino skin colour then 50% of your plecs will be normal and 50% will be albino. In which case I wouldn't be surprised, plecs come in lots of different colours, saw a lemon BN plec the other day, looked amazing but seeming as he was only 1cm long my krib would of proberly tried to eat him.

What are you going to do with all your fry? I'm going to guess that you won't have enough room for all your fry once their fully grown seeming as you seem to have loads. :lol: Sounds like they at a good size to maybe sell to your lfs. Would love to see the new photos once you have a chance. :good:
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Both plecs are of normal color, meaning each carries the recessive gene, so I'd expect to see 25% albinos since I have seen any at all. I just have seen a lot of them, probably at least 8-10. Which implies I may have 32-40 fry on my hands :S I'm going to hope that I just happened to end up with more albinos as 32-40 sounds kind of frightening haha. All I know is I'm going to have to be exxxxxxxxtra careful when vacuuming the substrate for the next few weeks. I may not even vacuum it at all and just change the water consistently as the albinos are really tough to spot on the sand.

Harlequins said:
Keep the updates coming :good:

I can just imagine wee fry out partying :lol:

Has with your albino/normal colouring,i have 3 albino cories and the first 2-3 batches were all albinos,then they had a batch of both,since then the majority of albino spawns have produced bronze fry and no albinos?,so bit like yours must be in the genes. :rolleyes:
Its interesting to see the colour variations from the same batch though :)
keep the pics coming. :good:
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I don't understand that really. The albino gene is recessive, so any albino offspring would have to have inherited both recessive genes from the parents, meaning that they could only produce albino offspring. Any regular cories in there with them? Or perhaps some aren't 'true' albinos which I know is sometimes the case. Even with the ones I have, some just look really light in color with semi normal eyes, and on some, the eyes are clearly more reddish.

lilfishie said:
Thats great news, glad it was fry and not him ill, what colour are the parents? sometimes its quite common to get some albinos in there even with 2 common coloured parents.

I'd make sure theres a few bits of veg in the tank at all times, replaced daily with fresh

Congrats :D
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Thank you! Like I said, both parents are normal color. I'm going to keep veggies in there more often now and slow it down probably in 3-4 weeks when they are more ready to be seen out in the open. I have a lot of live plants and have developed some algae on the back wall of the tank, plus there is a lot of driftwood in there so I'm sure that they will stay decently well fed. This is going to be quite the adventure I think. . .
 
Parents are here but that pic is from late Feb. Ike has since grown much larger bristles and then are considerably bigger (well he is anyways) :)
 
I made a mistake, yes you would be correct in saying that 25% would be albino. If they are both albino carriers then you would expect to have 25% normal, 50% carriers and 25% albino. But going by their phenotype you would have 75% normal and 25% albino (in theory). I don't know how I made that mistake. :lol: You would also be correct in saying that albino is recessive so their colour is just down to their genes. What do you plan to do with the fry?
 
Well you didn't know that both parents were of normal color, so if one were albino you were absolutely correct.

As for the fry, that is a great question hahaha... No idea really. My cousin has a tank but I don't think he maintains it well enough so I don't want to give him any haha. I'll probably post some on Craigslist if any of them make it, and perhaps give the rest to my LFS, maybe for some store credit.

I'm half tempted (when they're big enough) to start catching them and take my inhabitants out of the 10 gallon and throw them in the main tank to make it easier to raise the fry, but I haven't really decided yet. My main tank has much more cover, and also I would have to run out and get more Cardinals. I started with 7 back there but the tank was pretty immature (granted fishless cycled though) and only two made it. I have store credit to replace them, but the tank is half rock half sand and I'd like to switch it over to all sand as I just find it easier to maintain clean water that way. I'd rather replace them after I make the switch so I don't have to shuffle 5 new fragile fish around any more than necessary.
 
Well if your cousin doesn't maintain there tank that well would properly advice against it. :lol: Well at least giving some to your lfs would give you store credit to then help your switch your second tank over to complete sand. Saying that I'm not to sure how much they would buy them for. If you put up a post in the forum someone may want to buy a few off you, they might not but worth a go.

Good luck to you in getting this new (ish) tank set up and switching the substrate. At least next time when you know your plec is hiding that it might be fry and not him in a bad condition.
 
Rynofasho said:
Harlequins said:
Keep the updates coming :good:

I can just imagine wee fry out partying :lol:

Has with your albino/normal colouring,i have 3 albino cories and the first 2-3 batches were all albinos,then they had a batch of both,since then the majority of albino spawns have produced bronze fry and no albinos?,so bit like yours must be in the genes. :rolleyes:
Its interesting to see the colour variations from the same batch though :)
keep the pics coming. :good:
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I don't understand that really. The albino gene is recessive, so any albino offspring would have to have inherited both recessive genes from the parents, meaning that they could only produce albino offspring. Any regular cories in there with them? Or perhaps some aren't 'true' albinos which I know is sometimes the case. Even with the ones I have, some just look really light in color with semi normal eyes, and on some, the eyes are clearly more reddish.
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All 3 are pink with red eyes,No bronze adults,just 2 bronze juvi's around 5 months old which was off spring from the adults.
Here's the albinos and younger bronze fry from separate batches,the video doesn't show their eyes too good,but they all had red eyes.The 20 bronze babies i have atm are all bronze with dark eyes....it still puzzles me :blink: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aV2XxF4XC4 & the Bronze
And the bronzea few weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3ZbhOnndk&NR=1
 
Wow, that is crazy! I'd like someone to explain that one to me haha. Good looking fish!
 
And me too :lol:

I've just had 10 eggs hatch from the albinos i managed to save and this time they're all albino :S

Hows your wee bn fry coming on? :)
 
Happily munching away on some sweet potatoes last I checked. I need to use my buddy's iPhone to snap some pics as he has the iPhone 4 with a built in flash. They are all hidden away during the day, getting waayyyyy up in all the little nooks on the bottom side of the driftwood. I looked under one with a really bright light and saw about 10 of them all congregated together :)
 
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