Please Help!

[robyngunston]

I have been battling with my two Cory catfish for a while...I was told in the end that they probably had fish TB and I have tried all the requested cures to try save them. I woke up this morning to find one of them alive by lying completely on one side and the other swimming about but also unable to stay upright......it has been really painful to see them suffer (even though they have had ups and downs) and I just can't take it anymore. I am aware that there is nothing more that I can do treatment wise but is there anything I can do to make there death quicker or easier??
I read the thread below on oil of clove but unfortunately I do not have any of this to hand and I was hoping to do this quite soon? Any help would be great, I can't bear to see them suffering anymore

 

[clunkster]

Decapitation this is a very quick method as well as a easy one, you will need a sharp pair of scissors or a sharp knife. you will then need to lay the fish on a flat surface restraining it so as it cant escape or fall off then in one cut remove the head from the body. You then need to destroy the brain this can be carried out by penetrating the brain with a sharpe instrument
Another way which the majority of people i have talked to is the concussion method so to speak. To use this method simply wrap the fish in a cloth/towel leaving the head exposed, and by holding the fish by the body/tail strike the head with a hard blow against the edge of a hard surface thus rendering the fish unconscious and then you either destroy the brain with a sharp instrument or decapitate so as it cant come round.

 

[robyngunston]

Decapitation this is a very quick method as well as a easy one, you will need a sharp pair of scissors or a sharp knife. you will then need to lay the fish on a flat surface restraining it so as it cant escape or fall off then in one cut remove the head from the body. You then need to destroy the brain this can be carried out by penetrating the brain with a sharpe instrument
Another way which the majority of people i have talked to is the concussion method so to speak. To use this method simply wrap the fish in a cloth/towel leaving the head exposed, and by holding the fish by the body/tail strike the head with a hard blow against the edge of a hard surface thus rendering the fish unconscious and then you either destroy the brain with a sharp instrument or decapitate so as it cant come round.

You really are terrible!

He is dead now so nothing can be done

 

[WILDER]

Sorry bless him R.I.P.
If you can get a vet minocycline or tetracycline for fish tb, but if they have a bent spine no good as its to late to save them.
Antibiotics will wipe the bacteria colony out, but that not a bad thing as that what they are meant to do.

I will get you a link from the forum, its not freezing method, this article is written by a mod on this site stealhearl, and he's a surgeon.

steelhealr Mar 3 2006, 11:45 PM Post #18


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This is what I choose to do with my fish and my comments are only placed here as opinion. This is a heated topic. I choose based on my knowledge from my training:

Oil of cloves is a topical anethestic and was used in the past to treat toothaches. Lidocaine (like at the dentist's office is a topical anesthetic as well). When we operate on people we really want to achieve 2 things, analgesia and anesthesia, that is, relief of pain and unconsciousness. IMO, when a fish is immersed in oil of cloves, it is essentially 'topically anesthetized', paralyzed, but, I am NOT convinced that the fish is unconscious.....none of us will really know for sure. We don't know if the oil of cloves causes stinging to the mucus membranes, eyes, etc on initial contact nor if the fish is motionless, painless but aware.

Extreme cold is an anesthetic. When applied to skin, you can actually cut the skin and feel no pain. Cold also can cause rapid unconsciousness. In fact, hypothermia is reported to cause a state of euphoria and clouding of consciousness. Fish, at least most of the types that we keep (tropical), are extremely small and rapid immersion in extreme cold water, in my opinion, causes rapid pain relief and rapid unconsciousness. I have never seen any of my fish shows signs of what I consider suffering. They stop moving immediately and appear lifeless. Some have stated that since fish are ectothermic, this doesn't apply....perhaps in cold water fish I would agree.

I choose to euthanize my fish this way, rather than oil of cloves. One must either make an educated decision for themselves, or, choose what is currently accepted by the masses as what is humane.

Added: although I would never use blunt force to euthanize my fish, nor advocate it, one fact is for sure: death is instantaneous

SH

 

[robyngunston]

Sorry bless him R.I.P.
If you can get a vet minocycline or tetracycline for fish tb, but if they have a bent spine no good as its to late to save them.
Antibiotics will wipe the bacteria colony out, but that not a bad thing as that what they are meant to do.

I will get you a link from the forum, its not freezing method, this article is written by a mod on this site stealhearl, and he's a surgeon.

steelhealr Mar 3 2006, 11:45 PM Post #18


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This is what I choose to do with my fish and my comments are only placed here as opinion. This is a heated topic. I choose based on my knowledge from my training:

Oil of cloves is a topical anethestic and was used in the past to treat toothaches. Lidocaine (like at the dentist's office is a topical anesthetic as well). When we operate on people we really want to achieve 2 things, analgesia and anesthesia, that is, relief of pain and unconsciousness. IMO, when a fish is immersed in oil of cloves, it is essentially 'topically anesthetized', paralyzed, but, I am NOT convinced that the fish is unconscious.....none of us will really know for sure. We don't know if the oil of cloves causes stinging to the mucus membranes, eyes, etc on initial contact nor if the fish is motionless, painless but aware.

Extreme cold is an anesthetic. When applied to skin, you can actually cut the skin and feel no pain. Cold also can cause rapid unconsciousness. In fact, hypothermia is reported to cause a state of euphoria and clouding of consciousness. Fish, at least most of the types that we keep (tropical), are extremely small and rapid immersion in extreme cold water, in my opinion, causes rapid pain relief and rapid unconsciousness. I have never seen any of my fish shows signs of what I consider suffering. They stop moving immediately and appear lifeless. Some have stated that since fish are ectothermic, this doesn't apply....perhaps in cold water fish I would agree.

I choose to euthanize my fish this way, rather than oil of cloves. One must either make an educated decision for themselves, or, choose what is currently accepted by the masses as what is humane.

Added: although I would never use blunt force to euthanize my fish, nor advocate it, one fact is for sure: death is instantaneous

SH

Thanks Wilder
I now have only one left and yes his spine is bent already it has been for a while (you helped with advice before - his is a Cory Cat and I followed your advice but I think it was too far gone already once I found it....he has lasted a while but they say sometimes it can be a while before they die
All the others died in the end but he seems to be hanging in there.

 

[WILDER]

Bless him, not nice, good luck. hope things improve.

 

[robyngunston]

Bless him, not nice, good luck. hope things improve.

Thanks for the compassion
I think there is little hope for him now but at least if things get too bad I will know what to do.

 

[WILDER]

I know been there my fish have had ntd, and internal parasites, just as bad kill fish.

 

[robyngunston]

I know been there my fish have had ntd, and internal parasites, just as bad kill fish.

There's no point letting them suffer if you know you can't do anything else.

 

[WILDER]

That last bit was meant to say that ntd and internal parasites kill fish, don't no how i wrote that, must of been the heat, good luck anyway.