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Jenni84

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Hello,

Yesterday i performed a 25% water change as recommended by p@h as my ammonia levels were a bit high. I treated the water and made sure the temp was as close as poss to the tank temp.

I have just come home from a night away and i have lost one of my mollies and the other fish seemed a bit lethargic. The tetras also dont look so neon anymore.

Am i going to lose them or is there anything i can do to make sure they are ok??

Many Thanks

Jenni
 
is your tank cycled?
have you got a test kit? if so test your parameters and post them on here it will help people to decide what has happened when they look at your thread :)

if you have any ammonia or nitrite do a water change

ash
 
best thing you can do for your fish is to perfom daily water change of around 70% untill your filter catches up with the bio load your fish are producing
 
A 25% water change will only reduce ammonia levels by 1/4. This means that unless you had a barely detectable level (such as 0.1) to start with, you'll still have quite a bit of ammonia in the tank.

P@H recommend small water changes for one of two reasons (depending on which sales assistant you talk to):

1) There is bacteria in the water. This bacteria cycles your tank. Large water changes reduce the bacteria and should be avoided. This is false. Yes, there are bacteria in the water but not the ones that cycle your tank. The right bacteria for cycling are found on the filter media and occassionally on other surfaces in the tank, such as gravel and ornaments. Doing large water changes will not remove the essential bacteria.

2) If you do large water changes, you'll remove this ammonia. This is good for the fish but will make your cycle happen really slowly. The damage done by elevated ammonia isn't severe enough for a slow cycle to be a good trade off. This is also false. The bacteria can only use as much ammonia as they can use, right? And they're always growing and always eating. So, if there is excess ammonia in the tank is it because the bacteria can't use it yet. The ammonia is highly toxic to fish and all suffering to the fish should be limited or eliminated. You can happily remove the excess ammonia as much as 2-3 times a day and still cycle your tank.

Most sales assistants at P@H know sweet F-A about cycling and those who do know their stuff are actually limited by company policy to give certain, company approved advice.

If you have ammonia present in your tank you need to test the water twice a day and alays do a large water change if you have a detectable level of ammonia. You always want the test to read zero and remember, a 50% water change only reduces the level by half. So, you could well need to perform 1-2 75% water changes a day just to keep the ammonia down. This is hard work but it is essential to keep your tank healthy. P@H will not tell you this - if they make fishkeeping seem too hard and if the fish the customers buy are too healthy, then they lose money. They want you to overstock your tanks, lose some fish in the cycling phase and buy lots of products (such as treatments and "bottled bacteria").

You need your own liquid test kits for ammonia and nitrite as a minimum to get your fish safely through a fish-in cycle (which is what you seem to be in). Here is our Resource Centre which has information on fish-in cycles, cycling in general and loads of other essential information that you just won't get from most pet shops.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for the advice, i'll start the big water changes today.

My fish seem to be much happier this morning and the tetras have their colour back (i believe losing their colour can be a sign of stress?).

Will keep you posted on how they are doing.

PS will my 1 remaining molly be ok on its own with the tetras and guppies? I dont want to get anymore fish for obvious reasons but want to make sure it will be ok without another molly
 
Most sales assistants at P@H know sweet F-A about cycling and those who do know their stuff are actually limited by company policy to give certain, company approved advice.

Your right alot of P@H workers have limited knowledge over fish, but make up in other areas.
As for being limited by company policy, I don't know were you got that from as i've never been limited in the advice im allowed to give.

James :good:
 
Oh yeah, after testing my water the girl at P@H also told me that i only needed to do a 25% water change every 6 weeks!

So glad i asked you guys :D
 
Thats unnaceptable Jen. Next time don't be scared to ask for someone who's good on fish, I always used to do it and was happy with the results.

Ideally, do a 25% change, check your levels, do a 25% water change. It should go down. Try not to feed for a couple of days, your fish will be fine. Do not add any fish for at least a week. Remove any dead fish, plants, uneaten food etc.

Hope your water gets back to normal :good:

James.
 
Most sales assistants at P@H know sweet F-A about cycling and those who do know their stuff are actually limited by company policy to give certain, company approved advice.

Your right alot of P@H workers have limited knowledge over fish, but make up in other areas.
As for being limited by company policy, I don't know were you got that from as i've never been limited in the advice im allowed to give.

James :good:

You've been lucky, then. I had frequent stern talkings to from my manager because I was telling people they needed bigger tanks for certain fish, because I wanted to refuse sales on goldfish to tanks under 90 litres (our policy was 10 litres per goldfish), because I told customers fishless cycling was the safest and most effective method, because I wouldn't sell certain fish to certain water conditions (i.e. blue rams to newbies with high pH and hard water) etc. I was even shouted at because I told someone to do large, daily water changes when their ammonia was through the roof. Hell, I was even shouted at for calling certain fish by their scientific or common names, instead of the made-up rubbish our supplier sends them in as.

My manager even ended up talking to the area manager about me and they said that P@H would not, under any circumstances, stop selling goldfish for very small tanks and I would have no choice but to sell goldfish to tanks as small as 10 litres.

I wasn't signing off the same hymn sheet as the rest of the staff and they were not about to let me carry on.

So if you're allowed to give excellent advice, I suspect your manager is being more lienient than his superiors would like.
 
Thats a real shame your not allowed to be honest. My manager is a good fish man himself and from what i've heard is very honest when it comes to advice.
I honestly didn't know that it was a policy.
I suppose fish are everything to fish keepers. But at the end of the day, business is business.
He's not like refusing to sell fish to small tanks by any means, but he does give good honest advice.

My advice is not excellent by any means, I just like to give people honest advice. Wether they want to follow it or not is entirely up to them. But we as Pets workers have the right to refuse sale of any pets.

James.
 
Thats a real shame your not allowed to be honest. My manager is a good fish man himself and from what i've heard is very honest when it comes to advice.
I honestly didn't know that it was a policy.
I suppose fish are everything to fish keepers. But at the end of the day, business is business.
He's not like refusing to sell fish to small tanks by any means, but he does give good honest advice.

My advice is not excellent by any means, I just like to give people honest advice. Wether they want to follow it or not is entirely up to them. But we as Pets workers have the right to refuse sale of any pets.

James.

I guess I'm firmly of the opinion that in the UK, running an animal-orientated business is a choice and not a right nor necessity. If people can't run a pet business to the same exacting standards that owners care for their pets, they shouldn't be in the business.

I could happily refuse a hamster sale if I got a hunch that it wouldn't be looked after right, but if I refused to sell fish when I knew the person asking just wanted them for ornamental reasons and wasn't equipped to handle a fish-in cycle and other intricacies of fishkeeping, I'd be in trouble. Honestly, I'd have turned 70% of customers down if I'd had the choice. Only a tiny fraction had the knowledge or willingness to learn necessary for fishkeeping. Fish are seen as disposable, even by "Pets Before Profit".

/rant
 

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