Platy - Do I Retreat Again ?

[pippoodle]

Hi there one of my elusive platys has been making a bit more of an appearance and i've been able to get a better look at him - i'm not sure wether the colouring on his head and back is normal or signs of a disease please help - it's like a dull suede looking sandy brown colour as you can hopefully see from the pics
pics taken at different angles with and without flash

the other fish are now doing well and have stopped flicking/scratching and swimming funny (explained in another thread)

please help cos i dont want to have to treat the tank again for no reason

 

[WILDER]

Size of tank in gallons or litres.
How many fish and which type.
Water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing or laboured breathing.

Brown patches can be anything from columnaris to velvet.

 

[pippoodle]

Size of tank in gallons or litres.
How many fish and which type.
Water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing or laboured breathing.

Brown patches can be anything from columnaris to velvet.

sorry keep forgetting to add all the info

link to other problem you helped me with - [URL="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=259864"]http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=259864[/URL]

180 ltr planted juwel filter 600 lph , stingray filter 300lph
5 platties
15 guppies
9 white clouds
8 apple snails

ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 15
ph 7.2
doing once weekly alternating 20% and 40% water changes

the fish were flicking,rubbing but now only 2 are doing it , a couple got inflamed gills - i took the one with the reddist gills to the LFS (specialist small one) he looked under the microscope and couldn't see gill flukes but seen some white flecks and advised me to treat for white spot first (which they have had one dose of and the majority have stopped scratching and flicking)

This platy inparticular is one of the ones thats still rubbing and his gills are slightly inflamed and has been gasping a little at the surface but still swimming fine

all fish are still eating

 

[WILDER]

White flecks behind the gills plate can be fluke eggs according to a site I found.
The whitespot med dosn't treat flukes.
The brown on the fish does it look fluffy in appearance or like a rusty varnish, or texture like velvet.

Light flecks appear on the gills. The gill filaments are necrotic at this spot Eggs of the blood fluke Sanguinicola spp are involved. If fungal hyphae are seen in the slides, then gill rot is involved Treat with a bath in Acriflavine Neutral.

 

[WILDER]

Whitespot will look like grains of salt on a fish.

 

[pippoodle]

the brown stuff looks like suede or velvet cloth
having a close look at him again now from his belly bit back to his tail he looks really boney i know you cant see it in the pic very well but he is

Whitespot will look like grains of salt on a fish.

the fish had only a few of the white spots in a few selected places and not like i have seen white spot on a black moor i previously owned

 

[WILDER]

You could have velvet then if the brown patch looks like velvet.
Not quite sure what you mean about looking boney.
Do you mean he looks thin with a sunken in belly.

Ok its getting comfusing.
Does sound like there a parasite involved.
White spots how big are they and do they have any redness to them.
Red inflamed gills, excess mucas, swimming in a jerky movement, and laboured breathing can be flukes.
Brown patches that look like velvet can be a parasite called velvet.
I would get the wormer plus and add it with the whitespot med as you can use it with other meds, just go and check for you.

 

[pippoodle]

You could have velvet then if the brown patch looks like velvet.
Not quite sure what you mean about looking boney.
Do you mean he looks thin with a sunken in belly.

the belly looks sucken in at the back of the belly and nothing like the other male platty

could it be anything i feed them or have they just come to me like it from the LFS only had the platys a week

the get fed a selection of
algae wafers , catfish pellets , flake , micro pellets , guppy food , spirulina dust and frozen bloodworm , daphnia and brine shrimp

 

[WILDER]

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They could have internal parasites.
Signs are.
Long stringy white poo or clear mucas poo.
Worms prutruding from the anus, camallanous worms will look a deep red.
Being thin or bloated.
Enlarged anus or red and inflamed anus.
Sunken in belly.
bent spines sometimes.

Sunken in bellys can also be bacterial infection.

 

[pippoodle]

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They could have internal parasites.
Signs are.
Long stringy white poo or clear mucas poo.
Worms prutruding from the anus, camallanous worms will look a deep red.
Being thin or bloated.
Enlarged anus or red and inflamed anus.
Sunken in belly.
bent spines sometimes.

Sunken in bellys can also be bacterial infection.

pooh are all normal nice thick poos - anus's are all normal no redness no one has a bent spine either
i just noticed my yellow guppy is getting some of the same brown on his head and along his nose he hasnt got much at the moment going to study the other fish aswell

 

[WILDER]

Ok fish can lose weight to velvet.
Have you raised temp of the tank.
What med are you using.

 

[pippoodle]

Ok fish can lose weight to velvet.
Have you raised temp of the tank.
What med are you using.

they were treated with one dose of white spot plus on saturday nothing since
i havent raised the temp as didnt know i had to sorry

i've only had this tank up and running for about 4 weeks and this is the first time i've had tropicals before that it was coldwater all the way , i already had the sponges for the compact filter in my other tank for 6 weeks and the stingray 15 running in that other tank for 6 weeks so all water stats have been fine from the start .

 

[WILDER]

You need to raise the temp on your heater to 30.
Plenty of aeration as high temp and med reduces 02 in the water.
remove black carbon from the filter if you use it.
Read the instructions on the meds leaflet to see when you redose.
Does the med treat anything else apart from whitespot.
The fish with the red gills were they bought like that.

 

[pippoodle]

You need to raise the temp on your heater to 30.
Plenty of aeration as high temp and med reduces 02 in the water.
remove black carbon from the filter if you use it.
Read the instructions on the meds leaflet to see when you redose.
Does the med treat anything else apart from whitespot.
The fish with the red gills were they bought like that.

yes but i didnt notice til i came home as i was in my mobility scooter and couldn't get a good look at them cos they were in a tank up high and the woman just put them straight into a brown bag (had the 2 kids with me so forgot to check the fish) - LFS was pets at home - not going there again will be going to maidenhead which is 20 miles away but worth it

already got the carbon and zeolite removed cos of the whitespot treatment being in there

i got an airstone so would you say leave that running then - i usually turn it off at night - got 2 filters in the tank one at either end so always plenty of surface movement

the white spot plus is interpet 6 so i need the interpet 7 it says i need to wait 7 days after the white spot treatment before doing 30% waterchange and then adding other meds

If hubby does 50% today and 50% tomorrow do you think it will be safe to add the interpet 7 then ?

SO SORRY if i dont make much sense my MS confuses what i type sometimes

 

[WILDER]

If the filters are rippping the surface well don't always need an airstone.
Is no7 the anti slime and velvet med.
I would do a water change and run some black carbon for a day before adding another parasite med.
Sometimes whitespot meds can be used on velvet.