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well the eggs now look darker in colour than yesterday so it's looking good for them. Now I know peppered eggs go very dark just before hatching - almost black but I have no idea whether panda eggs do the same or not. 
 
I'm on another learning curve lol
 
UPDATE
 
Okay so I've now set up my 30 litre tank with 75% water from the main tank, topped up with fresh. I've still got the glass with the eggs inside to one side as they still need the flow of the air stone over them. If I just put the leaf in the tank to float around I think they'll go furry.
At the moment the eggs look alright, they have darkened a bit but ... I've just had a closer look at them and normally by this stage with the peppered lot I could see the tiny fry curled up inside the egg but with these I can't see anything inside the egg. I can see the yolk sac so they appear to be furtile but nothing more than that.
 
I have no idea if these eggs are viable ... at the moment I'm telling myself they arn't as I can't deal with the disappointment!
 
Wow, you must be so anxious right now. :lol:
I know if it were me I'd be checking on them 400 times a day. :S
I really hope they hatch and you rear the fry to adulthood. :)
 
the main problem I've found with fry this small is getting them to feed. So even if they do hatch the first week or two of life is touch and go. I'm waiting to see if they hatch and if they do I'll go and get some more liquifry and see if I can get a moss ball at the same time. Providing infusoria is the difficult bit!
 
Oak leaves might be the way to go...

http://seriouslyfish.com/all-the-leaves-are-brown/
 


Any other benefits?
Yes, there is more… I had my suspicions that having dead leaves in aquariums was actually acting as a food for some fish, particularly with fry. I was able to witness that fry in tanks with leaf litter seem to grow bigger faster and I could often see the young fish grazing on the leaves.
I had assumed that it was the leaves themselves that were being eaten but while reading the TFH book, “Culturing Live Foods”, Michael Hellweg makes reference to using dead leaves from hardwood trees as a method of feeding larval fish.

Leaf litter may also provide a source of food for the fry of some species, such as this Dekeyseria brachyura © Colin Dunlop

He explains that blackwater habitats are characterized by having large amounts of leaf litter and very low pH and that there are relatively few planktonic animals on which young fish can predate. Some fish species get round this problem by excreting large amounts of slime from their bodies for the fish to eat (discus, uaru etc) and this can sustain the young fish for several weeks.
As dead leaves are broken down by bacterial and fungal action they produce a slime and it would seem that this is what the baby fish are feeding on. I have certainly had high survival rates from loricariid fry where leaves have been present. Lastly on this subject, the leaves also seem to kick-start infusoria populations, again perfect for feeding tiny fry.
 
Hi Eagles .... yes, I knew that and I did have some bagged and saved from last Autumn and I went and threw them out cos I didn't think I'd need them! I doubt any of my lfs's will have any this time of year either. 
 
Once Autumn comes around I am going to collect some again and this time, I won't be throwing them away!
 
India Almond Leaves could be purchased.
 
eaglesaquarium said:
India Almond Leaves could be purchased.
 
Do you know where from? I guess not with you being in the States and me being in the U.K
I have it in my head that one of the guys from my local MA said they keep almond leaves in stock to buy for blackwater aquariums ... I've just had a look on their web-site but nothing on there. I think I need to pop over and ask in person
 
I get IAL from online usually, you CAN get them for some LFS but tends to be expensive, much cheaper online I've found.
 
This is the one I've used in past, its ok so far, I did have a better source before but they went under :(
 
Have a look and see what you think, its from eBay, they do 3 different sizes - small, med and large, I generally go for medium -
 
50 TANTORA MED CATAPPA LEAVES 
 
 

 
 
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thanks ch4rlie, I'll have a look. I don't have an ebay account but my friend does so I could ask her to order for me
 
well it's not looking so good. This morning I got up and there appears to be two burst eggs but there's no sign of any fry in the glass and there's no way they could have got out of it. There's one egg intact that's fallen off the leaf but it doesn't look fertile. There's one other egg and it looks like the fry has got it's tail out but it's not moving so I'm presuming it's dead.
 
I'll wait to see what happens with this other intact egg but it's looking like I've lost them all
 
Why would the fry be stuck to the glass? It it possible the 2 are in the tank free swimming?
I'm sorry it didn't work out so well Akasha. :(
 
Another option for juvi fish/ fry in the food department is moss, I have found fry that had access to good clumps of moss found plenty of micro foods to get them under way.
Another option would be to keep a filter sponge primed and full of mature bacteria. I recently had to change filters on a tank and the old filter sponge wouldnt fit in the new filter. So as a last ditch effort to ensure the new filter matures quickly I dumped the old sponge in the tank. Within seconds the shrimp where all over the sponge and even a lot of my colony of blackworms have moved into the sponge. My fish all love the chance to pick over the different media I use in my filters so there must be yummy stuff to be found in them.
 

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