just rose in my estimation. went in looking for male and female lyretail mollies to go with my female. anyway, i lookedat them, spotted the 3 fry and then went "hmm wonder why they're not moving?" got chatting with one of the assistants who looked at them and went "sorry i'm not selling you these". he's refusing to sell anymore of their mollies til they perk up cos they're sat there doing nothing. apparantly they had 4 die already. ok so dead fish aint good but the fact they wouldn't sell them me is good. maybe they're not so bad afterall or maybei just got someone who knew what he was talking about.