Ordering plants from greenline

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Hello,

I started cycling my tank last night (using ammonia). When do you think is the earliest I can put plants in????

I'm going to order them from greenline aquatics and I just had a look at their site and they have an offer on PRO aqua PLANT FERTILIZER. Is this worth getting?

Also, should I order any extra weights?

It comes with 10 for free. I'm going for the
30"/75cm Tropical Collection 4481
Min Number of 65 Plants

Thanks,
Sam
 
Get the plants in as soon as possible. It gives the roots a chance to establish before the fish start thrashing around.
 
If you have sufficient lighting(atleast 2W/gal), definitely go for the Pro-Aqua. Does wonders for plant growth!!!
 
I only have a 20 watt light, and 29 gallon tank. So thats less than 1 watt per litre.

Do you think I need 2 bulbs? I only have one of those horrible metal hoods that fits one. Do you think its worth investing in a better hood to hold 2?

I would like a new hood as the metal one looks so tacky. But at the mo I can't justify the cost.

I did go ahead and order the pro-aqua. For £1.50 it was worth a risk. I've ordered my plants. But won't get them till next week.

Thanks,
Sam
 
I have a 29 gallon, and have 3 bulbs. Around 2.6 watts per gallon. IMO you definatly need more light if you want to grow anything that needs more then "low light". I'm no expert though.
 
houndour said:
I only have a 20 watt light, and 29 gallon tank. So thats less than 1 watt per litre.
Sam:

Please speak to Greenline and let them know that you would like plants that will survive with less light. They are quite helpful.
 
too late. I've ordered them and they're on their way. I've put up another message about getting a hood that holds 2 lights. I'm willing to buy one if it means I'm not limited to low level plants. I'm just having trouble finding one.

Sam

Edit: Oh and I measured my tank...its 20 gallons, not 29 gallons. So 2x20 watt bulbs should be OK.
 
I bought a hood with no lights and added them myself. Its quite easy!

Best of luck with your search.
 
I got a hood from pets at home. I just need to get a new light starter unit and I'm sorted :)

Thanks
 
>>> I measured my tank

Couple of points to remember.

When people here talk "gallons" they are usually referring to "US gallons" which are smaller then Imperial gallons.

1 US Gallon = 3.7854118 Liters
1 Imperial Gallon = 4.54609188 Liters.

The Watts per gallon guideline is very inexact, small tanks require more light then larger ones. Having 40 Watts over a 20 gallon, (and I'd check that!), will still be quite low.
 
oh really? I can fit 3 lights in my hood if I put one on the lid part that opens. What would you recommend?

OK, just used a calculator. To be precise, my tank is 19 UK gallons (thats the entire area - not including stuff in it).

In US GAllons that is 22.8 US G

If I use the 2W per gallon rule for US gallons then thats 44-45 Watts.

Will an extra 6-7 Watts make all the difference?

What would you recommend?

Another question, at the mo I use a condensation tray. I saw a post in the hardware forum and someone said (it may have been you lateral) that they can get dirty and block out more light.

Now this may seem really stupid, but I thought the purpose of a tray was to help stop the condensation forming around the lights (and to stop fish and water evaporating).

My new hood is of the wood type (or mdf or whatever it's really made out of). SHould I go without the tray?

Thanks,
Sam
 
The "Watts per Gallon Rule" is not a rule, it is a very inprecise guideline. It assumes that you are using a medium sized, regular shaped tank and much much more.

The real "rules" for light intensity are somewhat complex, hence this guideline was created, and it has been passed on, unqualified by it's limitations, until today we see it quoted as a rule.

Small tanks require more light then large tanks. If you have space to add lights and you want to give yourself a bit of flexibility when it comes to choosing plants, then add the extra lamp.

Once you have your lamps, anything between them and the surface of the water will absorb or reflect some of that light. Even a new drip tray will prevent some of your light getting to where it needs to go. In typical town water, a limescale builds up quite quickly and without extremely regular cleaning/replacement, the light drop off is quite marked quite quickly.

I build my own hoods from massive timber, don't use drip tays and don't have any troubles. If yours is made of mdf, hmmm, my thinking is that at best, a drip tray is only going to stop splashes, the air above and below the tray is going to be equally moist, thus a quality hood should be able to cope with the environment, but I also am well aware of how mdf can react to dampness. Difficult to be precise in the face of uncertainty. I'll PM CFC and ask, he knows much more than me about wood and that kind of thing.

Incidently, I used to live on the Surrey/Hampshire borders, if your water is anything like mine was there, then you will probably already be aware that it is much worse then "normal town water". Insanely hard and alkali. An RO unit was an absolute essential item, and a non metered water supply, very providential.

*** EDIT ***

From CFC...
MDF has no place anywhere where water and humidity is involved, when wet it takes on a texture like a dunked digestive biscuit and will litterally fall to pieces in a very short time. What i use is WBP (water boil proof) grade plyboard coated with a polyurathane varnish.
 
Oh wow, it really is all quite technical. I had read that smalled tanks need more light, so I think I will go with the 3rd bulb. I already have the third one anyway, so may as well use it.

I haven't tested the hardness of the water. But the pH is 7.5 Which is better than where I was living before.

I will give the lid a go. Surely it'd be silly to make one that couldn't handle the damp? I'll try without the tray and see what happens. I have my metal lid for back up if it falls apart!

Just seen the edit from CFC. Hmmm...well hopefully I'm wrong and it is proper wood. I have no idea...I'm just cynical when I buy things and assume the worse. I will check the box tonight. It's def not proper good quality wood and it's coated in formica (like the plastic wood design).

Thanks
Sam
 
Mine out of the tap was pH 8.4, and to test for hardness, you cut a piece off!
 
hmmm looked at my hood. Nowhere does it say what it's made out of. I'm going to keep the tray and if my plants suffer...remove the tray and if then the hood falls apart I shall just invest in a new tank! It'll give me an excuse to get a bigger one :D
 

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