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[rdd1952]

Unfortunately, I think all of your fish are doomed. You have way too many fish for an uncycled tank and they already have ich. By the 4th or 5th day your ammonia will be off the chart high. I didn't see any test readings so have you tested your water at all for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH? If not that should be done immediately. Start water changes as often as possible to keep the ammonia and nitrite as low as possible and remove the arbon from you filter before you start treating the ich.

Please measure your tank and post the meausrements here so we can figure out the size (or simply multiply W x D x H x 7.48). The plecos can both grow over 2' long (depending on the type pleco) and the sharks can grow to over 3' will eventually eat anything smaller than them. They need at least a 200 gallon tank just to themslves and are not a community fish. Here is a good profile on them.

As already suggested, try to cure the ich and return the fish. I would actually talk to the shop you bought them at about the terrible advice they gave you. They should take them back anyway.

 

[TylerFerretLord]

So, while I wait for the ich to clear up, can I use things like Ammo-lock, and the stuff you put in your filter that filters ammonia? Will it remove the medicine?

 

[Miss Wiggle]

stuff like ammo lock is fine to use in terms of cycling, it converts ammonia to ammonium, this is still bad for fish but slightly less toxic and the filter bacteria can still use it.

dunno what effect it would have on medication though.

my general thoughts are don't add too much to the tank, a little while back i remember someone cycling with fish got a bit product crazy and was adding ammo lock, stress zyme, a medication, and a few other things to the tank. the bacteria couldn't handle it and the cycle completely stalled and he had to start from scratch. so you need to be really careful what products you use together, only use ones that are strictly nescessary

 

[gilaesther]

All I can say is, listen to these people. They know what they're talking about.

Also, in the future, PetSmart has a 14 day health garantee on ALL the fish they sell (yes, that includes bettas). If they get sick or die for ANY reason, you can return them for new fish or money back (with your receipt obviously). Of course, this is only useful if you have a PetSmart near you, but thought you'd like to know, in case you do.

 

[01edmn]

have you got carbon in your filters if so i think you need to take it out when using medicne but that might be to do with bacteria wich you dont have and also if you got fish that dont have scales you should half dose i think anyway

 

[TylerFerretLord]

I have to halve the dose of ich medicine because of my plecs and the loach, should I thus double the length I use it for?

 

[01edmn]

hmmm i dont know i would use it till the whitespot has gone away and then for another week or two so you know its gone

 

[vinylman]

I think you need a word with the LFS; they sold you all those fish knowing they were all for the same tank and they knew some of the fish were sick. I dread to think what will happen when the ammonia and nitrites kick in. I'm afraid rdd1952 is right; at the very least, some of those fish are on borrowed time. These people shouldn't be selling tanks, never mind the fish to go in them. But, if nothing else, you now know to research anything you intend to buy, and to ask here first before you go anywhere near a shop.

 

[mcdanielnc89]

First off. I have Cold and tropical fish together. Have had for 4 years! stableized and everything! so you can do it as long as you keep up on the waterchanges and stats of the tank and keep the temp at a temp cool enough for the coldwater fish and warm enough for the tropics.(does that make sence)

 

[vinylman]

First off. I have Cold and tropical fish together. Have had for 4 years! stableized and everything! so you can do it as long as you keep up on the waterchanges and stats of the tank and keep the temp at a temp cool enough for the coldwater fish and warm enough for the tropics.(does that make sence)

But that's a compromise. You can't give BOTH sets of fish their optimal conditions.

 

[Genie]

yeah. my dad used to have a goldfish in with tropical fish for my little brother (he started off with goldfish, but as they died, brother decided wanted diff fish). As said in other posts, my dad used to be great with fish! succesfully kept oscars and other great fish But this i wasnt too sure of. The goldfish is now dead. And the tropical fish are still in quite cold water....im going to sneakily add a heater. they are alive (a rtbs and a opaliine gourami) but they should be big by now. They dont look ill. Or lethargic. Just not the same as they are in their optimal temp. Men and their pride though.....

 

[poopsydrew]

First off. I have Cold and tropical fish together. Have had for 4 years! stableized and everything! so you can do it as long as you keep up on the waterchanges and stats of the tank and keep the temp at a temp cool enough for the coldwater fish and warm enough for the tropics.(does that make sence)

But that's a compromise. You can't give BOTH sets of fish their optimal conditions.

Exactly, you cant give both of them the best conditions at the same time just merely compromise so you can keep them. What fish are they?

 

[TylerFerretLord]

Plenty of tropicals, as listed, and 3 calico ryukans.

I went out an bought bloodworms for the elephant noses, they're happy now, I also bought a test kit.

TEST KIT RESULTS:

PH 6.8
Ammonia very low (almost same color as 0)
NitrItes very low (almost same color as 0)
NitrAtes 5

I also did a 50% water change(tested before it), plan on doing it once a day until cycled. I am now dosing with ich medicine, feeding algea discs to plecs and loach (everyone else loves them too. XD), and bought better fish food. I also made a cave for the elephant noses to hide in.

I went to a different shop, owner was MUCH better informed of fish, even gave me a discount ad the bloodworms for free. He pointed out a few things I needed (Bacteria, bacteria blocks, better food), and just gave me a few pointers, and said if I do enough water changes I should be fine.

I'm feeling much more hopeful about my fish's apparently inevitable doom.

 

[rdd1952]

What type media is in your filter? Something is definitely removing the ammonia. Otherwise, after the time you have had the tank running, the ammonia would have been off the chart. Also, what is a bacteria block? If it is supposed to add beneficial bacteria, I wouldn't trust them. No product that is completely dry or isn't refrigerated will contain any live bacteria. Just keep a close check on the ammonia and nitrite levels.

 

[TylerFerretLord]

I said I had the ammonia removing media, just keeping it in until ich is gone so they don't get too stressed and are not able to heal. Bacteria blocks are little porous blocks that go in the filter, they provide a very large area for beneficial bateria to live in. I'm sure it goes by another name, I just don't know it. XD