Not Sure Whats Going On, Any Ideas?

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Over the last 5 days my coldwater tank has not been doing so good. The tank has been going for a good 6 months now, stocked with 1 fancy goldfish (approx 2 inches not inc. tail), 4 zebra danios and 4 WCMMs. In the last month I've added a fluval 204 external filter which I've been cycling alongside my existing fluval 3+. Its had about 3 weeks now. I've added a new piece of bogwood, and also added some java fern/winderlov (4 plants) and some riccia. All has been happy up untill last week :(

Last week (Saturday) I added 5 young leopard danios and 2 young WCMMs. They seemed to integrate into the tank happily after the initial stress of being transported. All seemed ok untill last tuesday. Tuesday morning I woke up to find all of the fish lurking together at the back of the tank behind some bog wood, and the goldfish sitting on the bottom at the back too. I fed them and they all came out and ate. I noticed that some of the WCMMs were looking very pale. Almost creamy coloured, but their red markings seemed a darker red. The goldfish looked perfectly fine as did the danios. Anyway, they all seemed to stay out and swim about, if maybe a little bit spooked.

As the week has gone on, I've done some water changes and done water tests and can't see anything out of the ordinary. I've lost one of the leopard danios, he's no where to be seen, so I assume the goldfish either got him, or scavenged him. I did a water change last night, approx 40%, and this morning the WCMMs seemed to have gotten their colour back and they were swimming about the tank almost normally. I got home tonight and they all seem to be back to where they were, pale and spooked. The goldfish has taken to "sleeping" on a bit of bogwood at the back of the tank, coming out if I get his attention and swimming about.

They all seem to dart about sometimes. I'm really puzzled.

I've done several water changes, but I'm thinking I'll start doing them nightly from now on. Water seemed to be exactly the same as 2 months ago. Nitrates are a little on the high side - 50, as far as I can tell 0 nitrITE (colour cards are difficult to get an exact reading), hardness etc all the same as normal (can't remember off the top of my head, will take another reading tonight). I've also run a course of Esha 2000 over weds/thurs/fri which doesn't seem to have made a difference.

Oh yeah... Tank is 70 litre measuring 80x30x30cm with 2x 18w lights
 
Can you post full water stats.
Darting bad water quality, overdose of meds, to parasites and with being pale parasites might be the issue.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.
Check the gills over to see if there pale with excess mucas on them or red and inflamed.
How many gallons or litres it the tank.

Seen tank size with the other fish in as well it's overstocked.
 
I'm not sure what the root of your problem is, but one quick observation is that danios are tropicals and goldfish aren't -- if you've got a coldwater tank, your danios are probably cold! (I'm really bad with all these abreviation things, so I'm not sure what a WCMM is). In addition, goldfish are massive waste-producers and it's tough to keep the tank clean enough for the other non-goldfish inhabitants. Your danios have probably survived thus far because they're overall a pretty hardy fish, but it doesn't sound like they're very happy.
Sorry... I'm sure this isn't what you wanted to hear, and it may or may not be the root of your problem...
 
I'm not sure what the root of your problem is, but one quick observation is that danios are tropicals and goldfish aren't -- if you've got a coldwater tank, your danios are probably cold! (I'm really bad with all these abreviation things, so I'm not sure what a WCMM is). In addition, goldfish are massive waste-producers and it's tough to keep the tank clean enough for the other non-goldfish inhabitants. Your danios have probably survived thus far because they're overall a pretty hardy fish, but it doesn't sound like they're very happy.
Sorry... I'm sure this isn't what you wanted to hear, and it may or may not be the root of your problem...

WCMMs - White Cloud Mountain Minnows.

Well, I've had the zebra danios for approx 2 years now in cold water, longer than I've had the fancy goldfish. I guess thats how they were sold to me when I was first starting out. I may look at moving them to my smaller tropical tank (24"x12"x12"), but it'd probably overstock that tank, its only inhabbitant is a chinese algae eater :| I have a third (a little smaller still - 18"x12"x12") tank which isn't set up yet, so one group could end up in that if needs be as its going to be a tropical planted tank.

I know goldfish are big waste producers, which is why he/she is the only one, and why I am currently filtering with a fluval 204 (rated up to 200 litres) and the fluval 3+ as backup (rated up to 130 litres).

I have seen one or two flick at things which is what made me think about parasites, but they aren't doing it all the time, just occasionally. When pale, their gills do seem to be quite red.

Water readings as follows (TetraTest strips):

Tank water:

No3 - 25
No2 - 0
GH - 10d
KH - 3
PH - 7.2

Tap water:

No3 - 25
No2 - 0
GH - 10d - 16d (inbetween colours)
KH - 6
PH - 7.6
 
Do the gills look like there bleeding.
Are they rubbing the gills.
Would like ammonia reading.
 
Do they swim in a jerky movement, lost any weight.
Shying at objects.
 
They do seem more jerky in their movements generally. I'm just uploading some videos to Youtube to show how they seem to bunch up, and also the pale minnows. Will paste links shortly.
 
I would treat for flukes.
If not the jbl med I left in a link.
This one.
http://www.flubenol.co.uk/
Had flukes in my tank and the waterlife med not very good on them.
 

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