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I've decided to buy a fish tank to house some tropical fish. I would like some advice on how to get the tank ready for introducing fish - Nitrogen Cycle, Amonia, Water Tempreture - The lot.

I would also like to know which fish you guys recommend i buy to start with. I want some easy to look after, not too aggressive, but still nice looking ones.

Id like to know how i can stop them getting sick and what to do if they do get sick. Also how to introduce a fish to a tank and also how to de-chlorinate water.


Any advice is much appreciated.

PS: Ive read up on most of the newbie guides you have set up here. But I'd like to ask the questions myself, for more in-depth answers. So please dont just paste me links :blush: )

Thanks

~Leitch
 
Hi, it's a shame that you are not prepared to follow pinned posts on fishless cycle. I would send a link to a good pinned post that holds all the information that you need, written in a easy to follow format. But, as you asked for no links to help I shant bother. :hey:

The poster has obviously gone to a tremendous amount of trouble to write it especially for people such as yourself.
 
Hi, it's a shame that you are not prepared to follow pinned posts on fishless cycle. I would send a link to a good pinned post that holds all the information that you need, written in a easy to follow format. But, as you asked for no links to help I shant bother. :hey:

The poster has obviously gone to a tremendous amount of trouble to write it especially for people such as yourself.


Wow, Sorry. I came off the wrong way there :blush:

I just meant i did not want people giving me a link and nothing else. Ive read the fishless cycle post. Im just totally new to this and was just looking some guidance.
 
Yeah give the guy a break..
Hes new. And the pinned fishless cycle is not actually 100% newbie proof... Some of it does need to be expalined
 
hows your cycle ricky?

Ok, get some pure ammonia at your grocery store
Get an ammonia test kit, a nitrite test kit, a nitrate test kit, and while your at it get a ph test kit (or just get a master test kit that has all 4 of these in there) Its best if you get liquid test kits not test strips
Get the tank ready, filter running, heater running etc
Put one drop, only 1 drop of ammonia in the tank, wait a few minutes for it to circulate, then test using the ammonia kit. Calculate how many mroe drops you will need to bring the ammonia level up to 5.0, it would also be smart to calculate how much ammonia you will need to bring it to around 2.5
Test every once and a while for ammonia and nitrite (you dont need to test for nitrate yet)
Once ammonia starts to drop, and nitrites show, start dosing ammonia to bring the level to 2.5, it may not show up on the test kit but dont worry, thats normal.
Test all three, when ammonia stays at 0 for a few days you can stop testing for that and test for nitrite and nitrite.
Just keep doing what you do until nitrite goes away and there are nitrates.
Once your done do a big water change (at least 25% although 50% would be better) and dose ammonia for a day or two, then test all 3 and if ammonia and nitrite stay at 0 with some nitrate, your ready for fish and you are officially cycled.
 
well to start off i would recoment getting a juwel starter kit. i got one the other day the tank is around 60l capasity it includes a heater a filter and a light fitted hood mine was only £60. from my lfs ( they had the same kits in bigger sizes) it is a grat kit for starters. you basicly fill the tank with water that isant cold but not warm e.g 7/8ths cold 1/8warm leave the tank with the filter and heater on. also you will need to put some bacteriea witch is around£2.00 you put 5 ml per 20litres in evrey week for 2-3 weeks after around 5 days of leaving heater and filter and adding your first bacteria you may add fish. people may not agree with me but i recomend fighters for beginners they are verry peacefull fish.( 1 male per tank) must have atleest 3 females per male. also erm tetras are verry pretty and cheap gett on well with bettas.(NOTE: add plants if you have fighters they love them!
 
Thanks Tom, Thanks Musho.

Im kinda bewildered by it all at the minute. I think im going to find out as much as i can about the whole thing before i start risking lives.

How much would a master kit cost?
 
oh i forgot to add, after around 1 momth take a water sample to your lfs and they will tell you how it is and if not what you need to do etc etc
 
oh i forgot to add, after around 1 momth take a water sample to your lfs and they will tell you how it is and if not what you need to do etc etc
 
With all due respect Tom, I disagree with just about everything you have said. Male and female fighters (betta splendens) should not be kept together unless you are breeding them, and even then great care must be taken to keep the male from killing the female. Most of the "bacteria-in-a-bottle" products do not work with the possible exceptions of Bactinettes and Bio-Spira, and those only work if they have been properly stored in refrigerated units during travel and sale. And by doing a fishless cycle, you completely eliminate the need for those products. Also, you should have your own test kit, so there is no need to take a sample of water to your LFS.

Introducing some bacteria from a mature tank is a great way to kick-start your cycle and reduce the time needed. There are some very nice memebers on here that are willing to donate some of their media, here's a link that list's them. http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=150631

Ok, Leitch, for your questions.

I've decided to buy a fish tank to house some tropical fish. I would like some advice on how to get the tank ready for introducing fish - Nitrogen Cycle, Amonia, Water Tempreture - The lot.
Well, to start you off you need to decide what tank to get. There are a couple of options for this, most LFS will sell tank kits that include: a tank, hood, lights, heater, and filter. These are ok, but eventually you'll probably want to upgrade the filter and or heater as they ones included in the kits are usually very basic, and in some cases underpowered. Then, many LFS will sell as a package a tank, hood, light, and stand; you supply the rest. This is a very good deal since it gives you the option of choosing your filter and so on. Or you can buy each piece separately, but that can get pretty expensive. You'll want to buy the largest tank you can afford and have space for, as a larger tank is easier to take care of, and trust me, this hobby is addictive and you'll want to upgrade eventually anyways.

Besides the tank and stand you'll need: filter, heater, substrate, plants, decor, testing kit, gravel cleaner, thermometer, water conditioner, food, fish net, and fish eventually.

Filter - there are many filter choices, but the two I recommend are power or HOB (hang-on-back) and cannister filters. HOB-these are very popular filters and you can find ones that will give excellent biological and mechanical filtration, I recommend the Aquaclear line. Cannister filters - I recommend these for tanks 55 gallons or larger. They sit under the tank and two hoses run up the back, one pulls the water out of the tank and through the filter, and the water gets pumped up and out of the second one. You can pack a lot of media in these, so they are very effective, and since the actual filter sits underneath, it doesn't clutter your tank. Eheim and Fluval are good brands.

Heater - the general rule of thumb is 5 watts per gallon, submersible are best.

Substrate - you have a couple of options on substrate, gravel, sand, or a planting media (for live plants), everyone has their own opinions on substrate, but most agree to stick with natural colors (no neon).

Plants/decor - real plants are great, but not for everyone, so that's your choice, IMO real or silk plants, rocks, and driftwood (in other words natural) look best, but again, decor is entirely up to you. I recommend taking a look at the pic section for inspiration.

Testing kit - Get a liquid test kit that includes testing for Ammonia, NitrIte, NitrAte, PH.

As far as getting the tank ready, you'll want to rinse the tank out (to get rid of dust and debris), get your filter, heater, and thermometer hooked up (but not plugged in), add your substrate of choice (after washing it WELL), and decor/plants. Then add water, temp isn't that important, but it will warm up faster if you don't add just cold water, don't forget to dechlorinate it. Start up your filter and heater, let the water get up to temp, then start your fishless cycle.

I would also like to know which fish you guys recommend i buy to start with. I want some easy to look after, not too aggressive, but still nice looking ones.
There are tons of species that would work, it all depends on the size of your tank, compatability, and what you like. I recommend going to your LFS and writing down every fish you like, then research them, and post on here, and we can help with stocking.

Id like to know how i can stop them getting sick and what to do if they do get sick. Also how to introduce a fish to a tank and also how to de-chlorinate water.
The best way to keep your fish from getting sick is to have excellent water quality, which is acheived through religious tank maintenance. Most fish won't get sick if their tank is well maintained. However, it's a good idea to keep a couple of medications handy just in case. I'm sure someone could recommend a few good ones. I personally keep Melafix on hand, it's great for stuff like fin rot and cuts and scrapes.
When you buy your fish, float the bag in your tank for about 10 minutes to get it up temperature, then empty the bag into a clean bucket, net the fish and add them to your tank. You don't want to add the LFS's water into your tank. Dechlorinating the water is easy, there are many products you can buy, most are sold as "water conditioners", just read the bottle and add the recommended amount. And don't worry, you can't overdose on dechlorinator.

Hope I helped you some, and feel free to ask anymore questions you have. Research is the key to success in this hobby. Oh, and welcome to the forum. -Dawn
 
Thankyou so much Dawn!

Thats exaclty what i was looking. Im going to take notes on your post and take them with me to the pet shop.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. Much Appreiciated.
 
Thankyou so much Dawn!

Thats exaclty what i was looking. Im going to take notes on your post and take them with me to the pet shop.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. Much Appreiciated.


No problem, that's what we're here for. :good:
 
This is most likley the shop i will be going to. They have some nice tanks, heaters etc and they have some water tester kits in there.

Their website is a bit of a mess but they seem to know what they are talking about.

http://www.grosvenor-tropicals.co.uk/Produ.../Products.shtml




EDIT: Ive heard that getting 'Mature tank media' Can help speed up the cycling process in my tank. I have a friend who also has a fish tank, but what do i ask them for? Some of their gravel?
 

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