New Veiltail Spawn Log!

[modaz]

Hmmm the female is the same colour yea but i can go down to any of my local pet shops and pick up an identical female, 2 or 3 even. Its not all about the colour of the fish that matters. All i am saying is spawn something "different" not some thing that is 2 a penny. It has to be said that some of the pairs i have seen posted on here are very questionable and have no sense to them what so ever.

But whatever what do i know

devon i clicked post my message as you clicked on yours so it wasnt a reply to yours, you just type faster than me i suppose i like the matching as the she may be like anyother female vt but looking past the vt part she is spot on for this matching thats what im saying, i think that vts are just as important as the rest as the colours that are prduced sometimes can be used in other crossings to create new lines, vts are used to lengthen tails at times and ive also seen in the past month some wonderful colours coming in from the vt side of things, got myself a MGVTcelophane that i would love to spawn but cant decide what female to use with him

 

[devon_charm]

lol then i take back any edge of narkiness that may have been seen in that reply (tho none was meant)

I too have a lovely Purple gas VT female that one day i will develop but they are not so common and this is not the only spawn i have wanted to question its just i have stayed quiet till now - you know how i don't like to cause trouble

 

[modaz]

hmmmm, i gotta disagree there, myself and jaded aint seen eye to eye in the past but ive gotta say that she does know what she's doing, her past in breeding bettas does go along way back, i can see why the 2 have been choosen to spawn together as the female is identical to the male in regards to genetics, note the colouration and where this lyes on both bettas, i dont agree with the tail being increased though as this will only result in bettas that have difficulty holding and flaring their tails, i wouldve personally widened the span first and then increased the length to produce more rays to be able to hold the excess finnage produced by the length

Modaz.....
i honestly can't see you agreeing on this...
although yes its opposite to what me and shell have said so maybe i do see why!

yeah she may have a past in breeding but even you have said in the past VT's arent the best to spawn....
but the point beeing would YOU spawn atleast 5 different bettas at risk of all the pairs(which is rare i know!) spawning and having 100+babies each....
it a 40 gallon tank for fry to grow out in... thats one possibly two spawns of fry in it....
i highly doubt that she has enough room for 500 babies (atleast a 110G tank or 3 40G tanks...)..
you have just gone against shell because you always do!

P.S
dont you dare say im only sticking up for shell thats always your shout down...
and before you say ooh but your going to spawn VT's... i aint and ill be showing mine in 2009 if i can!
Im sticking to a set platinum white HM line...
and Gold HMPK's

get off your high horse, i was posting as shell was posting so i didnt have a clue what she was writing, im defending jaded and the other member (sorry other member but cant remember your username lol)and i can see why they have done this but also stated the chance of the tail issue being caused. really wasnt my intention to get on your nerves as im only having a general convo about genetics that i like to have as this part is an interest of mine and thats all, so i just call it conversation . and thinking about the loads of fry, yes its possible but very rare but prob will happen with the vt spawning but at the end of the day every breeder who gets overloaded with fry has to solve the problem one way or another so im sure she knows how to control too many betta fry and im not on about personally culling either before anyone finds me guilty of encouraging it, some breeders will leave the male in with the fry to control the numbers

 

[nakomis90]

hmmmm, i gotta disagree there, myself and jaded aint seen eye to eye in the past but ive gotta say that she does know what she's doing, her past in breeding bettas does go along way back, i can see why the 2 have been choosen to spawn together as the female is identical to the male in regards to genetics, note the colouration and where this lyes on both bettas, i dont agree with the tail being increased though as this will only result in bettas that have difficulty holding and flaring their tails, i wouldve personally widened the span first and then increased the length to produce more rays to be able to hold the excess finnage produced by the length

Modaz.....
i honestly can't see you agreeing on this...
although yes its opposite to what me and shell have said so maybe i do see why!

yeah she may have a past in breeding but even you have said in the past VT's arent the best to spawn....
but the point beeing would YOU spawn atleast 5 different bettas at risk of all the pairs(which is rare i know!) spawning and having 100+babies each....
it a 40 gallon tank for fry to grow out in... thats one possibly two spawns of fry in it....
i highly doubt that she has enough room for 500 babies (atleast a 110G tank or 3 40G tanks...)..
you have just gone against shell because you always do!

P.S
dont you dare say im only sticking up for shell thats always your shout down...
and before you say ooh but your going to spawn VT's... i aint and ill be showing mine in 2009 if i can!
Im sticking to a set platinum white HM line...
and Gold HMPK's

get off your high horse, i was posting as shell was posting so i didnt have a clue what she was writing, im defending jaded and the other member (sorry other member but cant remember your username lol)and i can see why they have done this but also stated the chance of the tail issue being caused. really wasnt my intention to get on your nerves as im only having a general convo about genetics that i like to have as this part is an interest of mine and thats all, so i just call it conversation . and thinking about the loads of fry, yes its possible but very rare but prob will happen with the vt spawning but at the end of the day every breeder who gets overloaded with fry has to solve the problem one way or another so im sure she knows how to control too many betta fry and im not on about personally culling either before anyone finds me guilty of encouraging it, some breeders will leave the male in with the fry to control the numbers

OK

 

[devon_charm]

i dunno Daz i think we should start a thread were every one can "get on" their high horse and get it out of there system what do you think Chrissy? lets have a forum fisty cuffs lol

 

[modaz]

lol then i take back any edge of narkiness that may have been seen in that reply (tho none was meant)

I too have a lovely Purple gas VT female that one day i will develop but they are not so common and this is not the only spawn i have wanted to question its just i have stayed quiet till now - you know how i don't like to cause trouble

its ok, ive given up on giving you a hard time as i sat back i realized that "yes" maybe i was being too much of a swine to you so no more hassle from me im on my best behaviour, im still looking for a female though ive got a cambo female vt but not sure if i want to use her, as there would be too much red present in the fry for my liking and i really need an older vt female with the red lose gene to match up with him so the mg comes through more in the fry with the higher chance of the celophane as well.

 

[devon_charm]

Well i have been a bit of a cow to you too hun so hugs and sorrys.

I'm not very up on colour genetics i kinda go by rule of primary colour (i'm a part time artist too lol). With what i know about spawns i have had so far i'm guessing you would do well with a light finned girl. Without really knowing how strong that MG gene is on his side its kinda hit and miss. Do you know his background? Wanna borrow a purple gas VT lol

 

[Monty2451]

Wow, I didn't know Jaded and I were going to start an all out brawl here! But anyway, I believe the reason she wanted to breed them was to get offspring with a higher genetic possibility of having my males beautifully long tail as the dominant trait, because we're not sure if it is dominant or recessive. I think her end goal is to increase the tail length of other tail types, such as CTs. So if she breeds my male with her Vt female we weed out some, if not all the "mutt DNA," as it's been put, in order to eventually cross breed with other tail types to increase the tail length. But this is just my belief, Jaded will have to speak for herself and justify this cross. While I'm all for it, I was more of a donor than the actual brains behind this cross. So in the mean time, cool off and just enjoy the pretty pics of our fish and let us worry about the details.

 

[modaz]

Well i have been a bit of a cow to you too hun so hugs and sorrys.

I'm not very up on colour genetics i kinda go by rule of primary colour (i'm a part time artist too lol). With what i know about spawns i have had so far i'm guessing you would do well with a light finned girl. Without really knowing how strong that MG gene is on his side its kinda hit and miss. Do you know his background? Wanna borrow a purple gas VT lol

nah dont know his background as he was a import mistake, wish i had a pic of him but not had the chance really, his blue is sort of present on the sclaing of the abdomen and in the tail, its like a very intense metalic steel and the mustard is more of a wash becuase of the celophane, hmmm your female, gimme NOW hes got some giant in him as well as he didnt quite fit into the bag he got sent in so surprised how he made it to the uk in one peice really as he was bulked up because of his size, i think there is a place in the show to come for vt bettas, esp new ones with great qualities

 

[5teady_2012]

Handbags at dawn

 

[devon_charm]

Well i have been a bit of a cow to you too hun so hugs and sorrys.

I'm not very up on colour genetics i kinda go by rule of primary colour (i'm a part time artist too lol). With what i know about spawns i have had so far i'm guessing you would do well with a light finned girl. Without really knowing how strong that MG gene is on his side its kinda hit and miss. Do you know his background? Wanna borrow a purple gas VT lol

nah dont know his background as he was a import mistake, wish i had a pic of him but not had the chance really, his blue is sort of present on the sclaing of the abdomen and in the tail, its like a very intense metalic steel and the mustard is more of a wash becuase of the celophane, hmmm your female, gimme NOW hes got some giant in him as well as he didnt quite fit into the bag he got sent in so surprised how he made it to the uk in one peice really as he was bulked up because of his size, i think there is a place in the show to come for vt bettas, esp new ones with great qualities

this is her when i first got her but the flash makes her look really blue compared to what she looks like normally. I agree i think VT's could make a good come back with the right use of genetics and small tweeks.

Any way lol i think we have hijaked this thread a bit

Monty it didn't start a brawl, just a discussion. No one is purposly nasty on here it just sounds that way some times and you will always get thoes that disagree with your methods and reasons and will tell you so. Plus it wasn't all bad me and Daz had kissed and made up lol

 

[modaz]

she's nice defo the mg gene in there and i can see the purple but i think she might be a little too dark for him as his genes will just be overpowered by her intense colouration, but who knows you never know until the fry outgrow as she may have the right genes deep down the line

 

[Jaded12]

I dont need to defend myself, I've had enough of a bad day to have to deal with drama on this board to. Everyone had their own opinions, so say what you want it isn't gonna phase me in the least I have more important things that I'm dealing with.