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just got a new tank about 4 months ago got some guppys neons plateys lampeyes and a red tail shark... looking to get more... tank is 5 half ft long 2ft deep any sugesteions on wot els will fit in nicely with the family.....
 
How big is the tank like in gallons? are those neons like neon tetras if so you could get more tetras there always pretty maybe even a couple or maybe 3+ zebra Danios will do ok.
Another Livebearer that goes well are swordtails they also go well with tetras and Danios too
Well thats all i can think of you to put in with them write now so untill later ill try to send another reply.
Oh ya they also go well with corydora catfish.
 
just got a new tank about 4 months ago got some guppys neons plateys lampeyes and a red tail shark... looking to get more... tank is 5 half ft long 2ft deep any sugesteions on wot els will fit in nicely with the family.....


ok firstly when you say some guppy, neons, platys etc... how many?

They are all shoaling fish so minimum of 8 each, although i really like Neons in 10+ groups. I hate guppys but youll have more of them soon enough as the bloody things breed like rabbits so you will have loads of live fod for other fish :)

have you thought about some Gourami or Rainbow fish or Cichlids?
 
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ok firstly when you say some guppy, neons, platys etc... how many?

They are all shoaling fish so minimum of 8 each, although i really like Neons in 10+ groups. I hate guppys but youll have more of them soon enough as the bloody things breed like rabbits so you will have loads of live fod for other fish :)

Guppies and platies are sociable but not shoaling. There is absolutely no reason why you can't keep say 2 female platies or guppies. The only reason for keeping 5+ males is to spread aggression, not because they need safety in numbers. And if you have mixed sexes, a trio (1 male, 2 females) is a good start.

Anyway, to breed like rabbits, there have to be females present. Has he said there are?
 
just got a new tank about 4 months ago got some guppys neons plateys lampeyes and a red tail shark... looking to get more... tank is 5 half ft long 2ft deep any sugesteions on wot els will fit in nicely with the family.....


ok firstly when you say some guppy, neons, platys etc... how many?

They are all shoaling fish so minimum of 8 each, although i really like Neons in 10+ groups. I hate guppys but youll have more of them soon enough as the bloody things breed like rabbits so you will have loads of live fod for other fish :)

have you thought about some Gourami or Rainbow fish or Cichlids?

6 blue neons 3 platys 6 lampeye 1 red tail shark.........
 
have you thought about some Gourami or Rainbow fish or Cichlids?
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I would also agree here. Rainbows often get missed at the LFS as they are young and the colours are fairly bland when young but look at mature ones in pictures or a tank with them in and the colours become better. As the tank matures I found that Clown Loaches have a great personality. These must be kept Min 3 really though. I had 1 and it was shy and timid. I introduced 2 more of the same size and now they are the busiest thing in the tank. Curious, playful and audible clicking when feeding. Check out www.thinkfish.co.uk It has a community creator where you can create your tank. It will tell you any conflicts that could occur when you add potential new fish. It also has a good fish data base.
 
Check out www.thinkfish.co.uk It has a community creator where you can create your tank. It will tell you any conflicts that could occur when you add potential new fish. It also has a good fish data base.

It is however VERY optimistic in its stocking advice. I have always felt that the combinations they suggest leave very little room for fish to swim in, and no margin at all if anything goes wrong with the filtration.
 
Check out www.thinkfish.co.uk It has a community creator where you can create your tank. It will tell you any conflicts that could occur when you add potential new fish. It also has a good fish data base.

It is however VERY optimistic in its stocking advice. I have always felt that the combinations they suggest leave very little room for fish to swim in, and no margin at all if anything goes wrong with the filtration.


I agree, so I questioned the owner of the site and he emailed me with this reply.

The figures are correct on the stocking level calculator, although
they are much higher than you would get with old guides.
The traditional rules for stocking such as by surface area, are well
over 30 years old and don't really apply to modern aquariums
(Stocking according to surface area for instance, is based on the
amount of oxygen which can be passed through the waters surface,
which was the vital factor before powered filters were created which
agitated the surface - i.e. a long time ago!) The old formula for
stocking levels was something like 30cm of fish for every square
foot, which for example in a 4x1x1 foot (113litres) tank would give
you 120cm of stocking. If you think that 30 odd years ago, the guide
was 120cm without any decent form of filtration or aeration, you can
easily stock twice that amount with todays powerful filters.
Unfortunately, as is the case with these things, they tend to get
continually copied over and over, until everyone has the same guide,
but no-one really assesses it properly.

This old formula is based on surface area and available oxygen
supply, but does not take into account the bacterial capacity or high
flow rates (oxygenation) of modern filters. The calculator on Think
Fish does take these into account, and bases its calculations on
formulas which include factors such as the amount of protien
converted to waste in food products, amount of waste produced per
fish per cm of body length, and the bacteria carrying capacity of
surface areas associated with typical filtration medias.

As the note on the calculator states, the guide only applies to
communities of smaller fish, and where correct feeding regimes are
employed. In addition, always use the fully grown size of your fish
when working out your stocking level.

Hope this clears things up a bit, like any other formula, it is a
guide, and needs a little bit of common sense to be applied.



Think Fish
 
I have seen this email response before, it's the one he always dishes out, but my point is precisely that even ignoring the bioload question, his estimates do not leave enough swimming space. There's no way that's going to change through modern filtration.
Also, if the filter breaks down, or there's a power cut while you're at work, it won't make an iota of difference whether the filter was a modern one or an ancient one, but it's precisely in these situations that it makes a difference whether you are overstocked or not. Believe me, I've been there :(
 

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