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Willygems

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Hello all,

I am a new member from Horsham in West Sussex and I have created this account for myself and my girlfriend. We recently bought a 200L tank from a friend and have set it up as a tropical community tank. We have 3 clown loach, 4 guppies, 2 opaline gourami, 1 dwarf rainbow gourami, 3 L340 mega clown plecos, 2 silver angelfish, 6 rummy nose tetra, 2 german blue rams, 2 gold rams and 3 kuhli loach, which I haven't seen since I put them in the tank yesterday. This is the first tank we have ever had so it is a learning experience but I am enjoying it massively and haven't really watched television since we put fish in it. Also, I have spent pretty much every bit of free cash on stuff for this new "hobby" of ours.

All the best,
Will
 
Welcome to the forum,I suppose you will have cycled your tank then? Be good to see some pictures........good luck
 
Welcome to the forum, you've picked a great place for advice in the hobby!
 
Hello Brian,

Yeah, the person we bought the tank from kept the old water cycling whilst it was empty of fish for a month. We then set the tank up at my house with the same water, filter etc and left it running for a week. First fish to go in were 4 guppies and 2 clown loach. That was all for 3 days and then we introduced another clown loach and all 3 gouramis. 4 days after this I introduced the plecos, then the next day 6 rummy nose tetra, 2 angel fish and 2 German Blue Rams. I decided to leave it for another week at least and then tested nitrate and nitrite levels etc before adding in 2 gold rams and 3 kuhli loach yesterday. Everything seems to be going well and I am doing 20% water changes every week because the rams are apparently very susceptible to nitrate build up, and so far they are my favourites.

I will post some pictures as soon as I can. I also have a couple of questoins about the rams so I will put that in a separate area.
 
Hi Willy & Gems

There's a bit that I think you need to know about cycling, and filtration. You see in my signature area, the grey text - there's a link in there. Please read it. :good:
 
Thanks lock man,

I have given this a read and I think what we have done should be okay given the time constraints etc advised in the post linked in your signatuure. Is the only difference that we haven't kept an eye on levels of ammonia, nitrites and nitrates throughout this process? The nitrogen cycle should be fairly well established in this tank now, but I will keep an eye on the nitrite and nitrate levels in the tank over the next week and see how long they take to build up. Is this what you are suggesting?

Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick. I haven't just thrown 28 fish in the tank straight off, I have done this slowly, I assume the difference is that I haven't checked it is correctly "cycled" before adding more fish. Am I getting this now?

All the best, this is a steep learning curve for me so please do advise me as best you can. I want to do this properly.
 
Hi Willygems, you seem to know what your doing, I am still learning, just, read read read,......lol,as ZoddyZod says, it's a great site......
 
Thanks lock man,

I have given this a read and I think what we have done should be okay given the time constraints etc advised in the post linked in your signatuure. Is the only difference that we haven't kept an eye on levels of ammonia, nitrites and nitrates throughout this process? The nitrogen cycle should be fairly well established in this tank now, but I will keep an eye on the nitrite and nitrate levels in the tank over the next week and see how long they take to build up. Is this what you are suggesting?

Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick. I haven't just thrown 28 fish in the tank straight off, I have done this slowly, I assume the difference is that I haven't checked it is correctly "cycled" before adding more fish. Am I getting this now?

All the best, this is a steep learning curve for me so please do advise me as best you can. I want to do this properly.

The timescales you have indicated a pretty quick. THe thing is, the bacteria in the filter need ammonia to survive. THey didn't get any ammonia at all during the month it was empty at your mate's house, and then a further week at your house. There is some conjecture as to whether the bacteria are totally dead and buried, or whether they are just dormant, but the timescales you indicated are pretty short to allow even reasonably mature colony to adjust to cope with the extra ammonia from the extra fish. The normal advice is to leave it at least a week before adding further fish.

I suggest you keep testing daily and change water at any sign of either ammonia or nitrite (don't worry about nitrate at this point). When you can go a week with no sign of either of those two, then you can consider your filter cycled!

And hey, now you can save your TV Licence fee as well!
 
Ah! Gotcha! Cheers lock man. I understand now. I will keep my eye on these values over the coming days and hopefully we won't see any ammonia/nitrite spikes. There was no ammonia, nitrite or nitrate yesterday but I did a 20% water change yesterday and rinsed the filter media so we will see tonight what it looks like.

Many thanks for your help,

Will

Also, I have posted a topic on ram cichlids, can anyone answer the questions in this post? No-one has even viewed it yet I don't think.
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/401709-rams-bit-of-advice-please/
Cheers,
 
When you rinsed the filter media, did you do that in old tank water or tap water? Please say the former......

Never kept rams, so dunno on that one.
 
Welcome to the forum! It's a great place for advice and this hobby is surprisingly easy to get addicted to. :hi:
 
Welcome to the forum and I hope the tank goes well Will. Just one little pointer on your stocking, your Clown loach I recommend you read up on there requirements of course all species of fish need there own special requirements, but as a Clown loach keeper Just reading your post i think you need a bit more information as far as keeping Clown loach if you want some help on this specific species then just say :good: we are all here to help.

Regards onebto
 
Hello onebto, I would like to hear what your views are, definitely. I understand that my tank is nowhere near big enough to fit fully grown clown loach but I was planning on getting rid of them once they reach a certain size. What other information can you give me?

Unfortunately lock man, I did rinse the filter media in tap water like a numpty. Oops. I will have to keep a VERY close eye on things now ay. Won't make that mistake again
 
I do not know how much you know about Clown loach but its good you know that your tank is not big enough to keep them as they grow.

So Clown loach (Chromobotia macracanthus)

Water requirements
pH 6.5 - 7.0, Hardness: aim for softer water, Maximum DH: 12 they are a hardy loach that will get used to slightly different water parameters but that's known as the optimum requirements they can handle between 25 to 30 degrees C I keep mine at 26 to 27 degrees C.

They can grow to 30 years plus in age in optimum conditions they usually grow quite fast from the juvenile 1/2 to 1 inch usually found in LFS up to about 5 inches (5 too 6 years) then there grow rate slows down quite considerably there are many documented cases of well kept adult Clown loaches growing to 8 to 12 inches and they do get bulky.

They are a communal fish that thrive in numbers, 6 is thought by most to be the minimum number for a group. They do become more confident with the more there are they are nocturnal but do get used to playing and feeding in the day the trick to seeing them during the day I have learnt is there numbers and also the number of caves and holes they can hide in, it also helps if there tank mates are subdued swimmers as erratic moving fish like Dannios can make them skittish and keep on darting for cover.

They like sand substrate it mimics the rivers they come from in Malay peninsula, Borneo, Sumatra etc but a smooth pea gravel is a suitable second to sand as they come from rivers they do like a bit of flow so a power head will be a welcome add.

They love to explore so when you do a major clean up ornaments rocks and bog wood in a slightly different place will keep them interested however Clowns are quite well known for doing a bit of rearranging of tank plants and pushing sand and gravel around digging the odd hole just to please there own tastes.

As they travel great distances up and down rivers they come across a lot of different foods and you need to supply this for them they do eat wafers but they love lots more personally I have at least 6 different hikhari wafers and pellets they eat, they love blood worms, muscles, prawns bits of chicken, cucumber the list is almost endless

They do lay on there sides motionless giving the new keeper a fright but this is a Clown being a Clown they swim upside down they can get into places thought impossible but sometimes there not so good at getting out personally any ornament that looks like it could be a problem I fill with filter foam to stop them from gaining access.

Clowns are a very peaceful loach but they will defend themselves if really pushed they have a bifurcated Suboccular spine just under each eye its rare to see them use it I have only seen it twice in 4 years and I watch my loaches alot so if you see it do not be disturbed.

There is no documented and substantiated breeding of Clown loach in captivity to my knowledge and I do keep an eye out on the net for news of it there are a few reports but there not considered bonafide. I have heard there are some farms that use hormones to breed Clowns but I do not really know much about that.

A lot of people say that Clowns are scaleless but I have actually read in several very well thought of locations that they do have scales its just they are so minute as to make it look like they have a skin, to be honest I have never lost a Clown and this is the only opportunity I will have to investigate this theory for myself lets hope its a long time before I get to make that conclusion. Clowns are well known for suffering white spot? In 4 years I have only had 1 major outbreak and 1 minor one but if yours do get it care will need to be taken in treating it but lets hope you do not need that help.

Well I hope this helps if you need any more help then please ask.

I will end this post by saying in no way am I an expert at keeping Clown Loach I just love them and have been keeping them for about 4 years and they they have given me a lifetime of enjoyment, what I know I have learnt from people and posts on this forum as well as other bits and peace's I have scraped together from the web I have taken the information and there advice implemented it and observed results from my own Clowns and this is what I share with you there a great species.

Regards onebto. :good:
 
Blue rams will not do good. They require higher temps, 28c is best. Gold rams are the same.
 

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