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hi, me and my bf have recently brought a 60 litre tank with attached filter. 1 week after we went to get some fish
got sold 7 neon tetra and bristle nose, all in the tank was good,
neon swam up the side of tank inbetween filter and died.
neon found dead on day 4
neon again died on day 4
Now down to 4 neons and bob the bristle nose/
HELP!!!
WHATS WRONG, SOMEONE HELP. ]
The neon that went up the filter is stuck down side of glass, cant ever get him out due to design of tank the filter is glued on and u cant get down the back.
someone anyone help.
 
hi, me and my bf have recently brought a 60 litre tank with attached filter. 1 week after we went to get some fish
got sold 7 neon tetra and bristle nose, all in the tank was good,
neon swam up the side of tank inbetween filter and died.
neon found dead on day 4
neon again died on day 4
Now down to 4 neons and bob the bristle nose/
HELP!!!
WHATS WRONG, SOMEONE HELP. ]
The neon that went up the filter is stuck down side of glass, cant ever get him out due to design of tank the filter is glued on and u cant get down the back.
someone anyone help.

did you cycle the tank before adding fish or did you just buy a tank, fill it with wter and decorations and add fish?
cause if you did it was probably the amonia and nitrates that killed them. as you are new the the hobby thats not so bad a mistake, but whoever sold you the tank and fish should usualy ask how long the tank is set up
 
Could be your ammonia levels Hun... :unsure:

I've only had my first fish a week too - and I did them same as you, set my tank up for a week before I got my fish and then noticed after 2 days that they were not well - I didn't realise that you had to cycle the tank water for weeks before even getting any fish, my ammonia levels were really high, the fish were being poisoned - the pet shop didn't explain that to me!! :sad:

The best thing to do would be to read the threads in the forum on water cycling and to buy a testing kit to be able to test your ammonia levels.

I've found people in here really helpful so don't be afraid to ask questions - I've been asking plenty!! Lol!

Good luck :good:
 
Hi and welcome to TFF and fish keeping/

Unfortunately leaving a tank to settle for a week doesnt do what we call cycle it. Therefore you are now doing whats called a cycle with fish in. This means that you have a tank that has fish that are producing waste which is ammonia, the ammonia needs to be converted to nitrIte (which is the second stage of cycling) which will then be converted to nitrAte (the end stage of the cycle).

So your filter which holds the media (either sponge, bio balls or similar) will need to grow beneficial bacteria in it to be able to convert the ammonia>nitrIte> nitrAte. This take quite some time, usually around 4 weeks with fish in the tank.

Ammonia and nitrIte are very harmful to fish so in order to help them and complete the cycle, you are going to need a few things. The first is a liquid based test kit, these test for ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte and ph. Recommended ones are API master freshwater test kit and Nutrafin master kit. These test kits are essential in knowing where your tanks cycle is and knowing how many water changes you are going to need to do in order to keep the fish healthy. Sorry if any of this sounds daunting, it isnt, just takes some getting used to.

You are going to need to test your water to find the levels of each ammonia, nitrIte, nitrate so you know how many and often you will need to change your water. Usually in a fish in cycle, 2/3x daily 50% water changes are required.

Have a good read thur the Beginners Resouce Centre here: http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=88643

Specifically this topic here which will guide you thru the fish in cycle step by step: http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=175355

Any questions and everyone here is happy to help :D
 
Moonmin you must do an immediate water change.
Do you have declorinator.
Also go back to the lfs and buy an airstone and pump.
To be honest I would see if the lfs will take the neons back and the plec and do a fishless cycle.
 
Hi there and Welcome to TFF!

Beginners who stumble across our forum are often already in distress over what's happening to their new little pets and then our posts come as quite a shock sometimes as they begin to realize that the hobby is quite a bit different from what they thought and that neither the equipment instructions nor the pet shop really said anything at all about expecting these kinds of problems.

It *is* a little daunting at first, but the members here are great and fun to talk to and the information you start learning is itself quite fascinating if you let yourself get interested in it. The whole hobby is often very different from anything people have previously experienced, like a normal pet or a fast-moving technical hobby, and that's also part of the pleasure.

As the members have pointed out, there are a couple of problems right off: you bought a tank with a built-in filter and have experienced right away that lots of equipment in the hobby is not completely "thought through." In your case the filter setup can trap fish, which is never good. The other thing the members are talking about, the "cycle" is the thing they know is looming as your biggest problem.

When you buy a new filter in a pet shop it comes with instructions and you put it all together, get it running and feel like you have finished the correct "Setup" as far as you are concerned. This is a wrong impression. Its really a raw kit that needs the attention of someone with some fairly arcane knowledge about how filters really work and it needs anywhere from 1 to 3 months of attention and work performed by the person with this knowledge.

A filter performs 3 main functions: mechanical filtration, chemical filtration and biological filtration. Mechanical filtration is the easiest to understand. We all expect the sponges and floss and things we put in our filter to catch all the little debris particles in the water. The chemical function is special. Its an optional function that we can use if we need to remove medications or remove yellow tannins caused by driftwood or unusual organic smells. Chemical filtration (charcoal and some other things) is not needed on a normal basis.

The third function, that of biological filtration, is the surprise one for beginners and is by far the most important function. The media (sponges, ceramic pebbles, ceramic rings, "bioballs", polyfloss, etc.) is designed to have a huge surface area and lots of places to trap things. The big surface area serves as a special home for beneficial bacteria that needs to be grown in the filter. This business of growing bacteria is what takes the long time I talked about by the way. In fact we actually try to grow two very specific species of bacteria, for freshwater tanks, and the bacteria form sticky "biofilms" on all the media surfaces (not to mention the rest of the tank!) These biofilms enhance the debris catching of the mechanical function of the filter. But its the bacteria themselves that are really important. They carry out the stages of the "nitrogen cycle" that the members talked about above. Several of our pinned articles explain the nitrogen cycle and I hope you'll find it as fascinating as I did. Its really a little world unto itself and the more you understand it, the better an aquarist you'll be in the long run.

Anyway, good luck with your studies in this new "biology class" you've stumbled upon. I hope you'll ask questions about the nitrogen cycle and about the test kits you'll need as a first thing. Test kits would really be the very first thing you'd be studying when you walked into the store to set up a new system if you "only knew!"

~~waterdrop~~ :)
 
we got the filter off and all is looking good, thanks peeps
 

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