New Angels - Possible Fin Rot?

[Electric Warrior]

1. Water parameters. (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, PH, temp', Hardness etc)
Ammonia: 0
NitrIte: 0
Nitrate:5ppm
PH: 6.5
GH/KH: 3/4
Temp: 26C

2. A full description of the fishes symptoms.

One of my new angles has what appears to be fin rot on dorsal fin, caudal fin, and anal fin.

3. How often you do water changes and how much.

1x week 30-40%

4. Any chemicals and treatments you add to the water.

Prime for WC's

5. What tank mates are in the tank.

13 cardinals, 3 apistos, 1 BNP, 3 other angels

6. Tank size.

200L

7. Finally Have you recently added any new fish?

4 angels today.


Basically I just received 4 angel juvi fish today from a breeder, in the post. They were sent overnight, packed well, heat packed, blah blah blah. I was planing on growing them out and keeping a pair. I added them this afternoon after acclimating them for an hour or two, and the this evening I noticed what could be possible fin rot on one of the albino's? As you can see in the pics, it appears to be on the tip of the dorsal and anal fins, and a bit on the caudal fin. It's just been sort of hanging out at the top, front of the tank by itself for hours, just kind of staring at the glass. I only noticed this when I was looking at them this evening with the tank lights on. This ones fins seem much more frayed and smaller than the other three angels. He is moving around as I type right now, but keeping to the back and side of the tank. I am assuming that he came like this, but I can't be sure since I didn't really notice until later this evening when the lights were on. I have seen the male apisto chasing some of them away when they have gone too close to his cave, but I haven't seen him attack anyone; basically I haven't witnessed any fin nipping. As stated above, my water stats are all fine, and everyone else in the tank looks and seems completely fine. Thoughts/advise?

 

[Electric Warrior]

Anyone?

 

[Tolak]

Albinos are a bit of a touchy phenotype, fin issues are pretty common. Quar tank, 50% water change daily, wait 10 minutes before adding dechlor.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Hi, uh, I actually don't have a qt/hospital tank because the small tank I had for the purpose is now being used by a colleague because he had a major emergency with his tank the other day. Just FYI, his fins still look bad, but his behaviour is much bette today - he is swimming all over with the others and eating. Now could this have happened to him just from the stress of being shipped in the post overnight? Do I need to treat the whole tank with a med? Obviously, I know have no idea what the water quality was at the breeder's where he came from, but he is quite reputable/highly rated. The water quality in my tank is very high I believe, so is it possible that he could just heal on his own, or will a need a med?

 

[Electric Warrior]

The tip of his dorsal fin still looks pretty crap, but the tip of his anal fin looks a little better today, than it did last night.

 

[Tolak]

Most probably shipping related, you could do the same water change deal in your main tank. I've had plenty of angels that incurred injury due to pairing incidents, fresh water is the best med for healing angels with torn up fins. The disinfectant in your tap water is a free med, use it to your advantage.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Okay, how much of a wc do you suggest? Keep in mind, I did about a 30% one yesterday right before I started acclimating them. So you believe I don't need to run out and get some Melafixi or Myxazin right away?

 

[Electric Warrior]

The angel is acting completely normal today, so I think that he/she is settling in, but the dorsal fin is obviously damaged and frayed looking. It doesn't have that ashy sort of look on the tip like it did last night, and the tip of the anal fin looks a lot better than it did, but I am still wondering if I need to treat the tank with meds, or just keep an eye on water/do wc's? Here are some more pics that I just took. He/she is eating and hanging out with the others, nipping in the roots of the floating plants/attacking the bubbles coming out of the spray bar. It's hard to get a great pic because he wont stay still.

 

[snazy]

This could have been caused by the ammonia in the bag they were shipped in and if he's acting normally then like Tolak suggests water changes with a bit of a waiting period before putting the dechlorinator will heal him.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Okay, I will try it. How much of a water change would you recommend, and for how many days? Also, why the 10 min wait before adding Prime, just out of curiosity?

 

[snazy]

Okay, I will try it. How much of a water change would you recommend, and for how many days? Also, why the 10 min wait before adding Prime, just out of curiosity?

Chlorine/chloramines in the water kill bacteria So if there's any harmfull bacteria on the fish it will kill it. The fish will be fine for that time. Just don't turn on the filter until you have the dechlorinator in though.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Okay, but I normally add Prime to the bucket of tap water before I put it in? Are you saying I shouldn't?

 

[snazy]

Okay, but I normally add Prime to the bucket of tap water before I put it in? Are you saying I shouldn't?

Yes, but then you need to put dechlorinator ammount needed to treat the whole tank size, not just the water you've changed.

 

[Electric Warrior]

Okay, I have done this... How often do you recommend doing this?

 

[Tolak]

50% daily for the first week, every other day the second week. It's an old school cheap & easy fix, and usually the best starting point for most fish ailments. Old timers who have been in aquatics for decades will often do 25% water changes on a regular basis with no dechlor, and rarely have problems with fish. Big problem with them is using a computer is akin to us flying a 747, they have no idea where to start, so lots of info doesn't hit the internet.