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Hi just bought a tank for my daughters birthday yesterday it took 48 litres of water! I put in gravel, plants real and silk, a plastic cave thing, turned on the filter and heater and added biotopol to tap water as the man in fish shop advised.. Now what?? I was sold denitol and filterstart when do I put these in? And how long before my daughter can put fish in? I know I sound like an idiot but never realised i had to do stuff before the fish went in! My friends just have a little mermaid tank and goldfish and they did nowt!! Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop as said it would be easier to manage and my little one could have lots of little fish instead of one goldfish which need way more care and space than I ever imagined. I hope someone can help me as I would hate to do it wrong and kill my daughters first pets!! Thanks for reading x
 
Bacteria in a bottle usually do not work :) But your LFS were completely right about.. everything else they said, from what you say! (This is highly unusual)

Ok, now you go and read about fish-less cycling. It's the safest way to get the filter ready.. you can speed up the process by asking your LFS (local fish shop) for some mature filter media.

If you want to see how it works in practice, here's the log I am currently keeping about setting up a 60 litre aquarium: http://aquariumadventure.wordpress.com/

Oh, and welcome ;) good to see you found this place!
 
Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop

I'm not trying to be mean but the idea of a 48L as a big tank did make me smile :D

Sounds like the advice from your fish shop was spot on, except for the bottled bacteria.

As has already been said, read all the beginners advice on fishless cycling and do post any questions you have, people here are super helpful!
 
Thank you for your welcome! I realise it is a small tank for most but as it was a birthday present for my daughters 7th birthday was just expecting to get a small tank in a pretty girlie colour like in the Argos catalogue she circled!! Little did I realise these turn out to be fish killers!! So find myself crossing my fingers the weight of her tank is not too much for my sideboard! Haha
I purchased some testing kit from a different fish store and was told to add nothing to the water just wait a week and test the water it should be ok then?! I mentioned cycling and was told not to worry about doing this as it's only a little tank and will sort its self out unaided!! I am now evenmore confused my test result were ammonia 0.25 nitrites 0 nitrates 20 is this good? What should I do now?? This is becoming a stressful and confusing experience!
 
Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop

I'm not trying to be mean but the idea of a 48L as a big tank did make me smile :D
Hi just bought a tank for my daughters birthday yesterday it took 48 litres of water! I put in gravel, plants real and silk, a plastic cave thing, turned on the filter and heater and added biotopol to tap water as the man in fish shop advised.. Now what?? I was sold denitol and filterstart when do I put these in? And how long before my daughter can put fish in? I know I sound like an idiot but never realised i had to do stuff before the fish went in! My friends just have a little mermaid tank and goldfish and they did nowt!! Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop as said it would be easier to manage and my little one could have lots of little fish instead of one goldfish which need way more care and space than I ever imagined. I hope someone can help me as I would hate to do it wrong and kill my daughters first pets!! Thanks for reading x


Sounds like the advice from your fish shop was spot on, except for the bottled bacteria.

As has already been said, read all the beginners advice on fishless cycling and do post any questions you have, people here are super helpful!

Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop





Oops pasted wrong reply. See entry above only got an iPod so makes copy and paste tricky!! Sorry if I've messed my help request up x
I'm not trying to be mean but the idea of a 48L as a big tank did make me smile :D
Hi just bought a tank for my daughters birthday yesterday it took 48 litres of water! I put in gravel, plants real and silk, a plastic cave thing, turned on the filter and heater and added biotopol to tap water as the man in fish shop advised.. Now what?? I was sold denitol and filterstart when do I put these in? And how long before my daughter can put fish in? I know I sound like an idiot but never realised i had to do stuff before the fish went in! My friends just have a little mermaid tank and goldfish and they did nowt!! Only went for a big heated tank on advice at shop as said it would be easier to manage and my little one could have lots of little fish instead of one goldfish which need way more care and space than I ever imagined. I hope someone can help me as I would hate to do it wrong and kill my daughters first pets!! Thanks for reading x


Sounds like the advice from your fish shop was spot on, except for the bottled bacteria.

As has already been said, read all the beginners advice on fishless cycling and do post any questions you have, people here are super helpful!
 
I purchased some testing kit from a different fish store and was told to add nothing to the water just wait a week and test the water it should be ok then?! I mentioned cycling and was told not to worry about doing this as it's only a little tank and will sort its self out unaided!!
Ah, you misheard them :) they actually said "Give us some money, when the fish die, come back and give us more money! That way, you keep us in a job, and we can probably sell you expensive and useless products to solve your "problems"!".
Seriously? It is a LOT more dangerous to do that in a small aquarium than a large one because the concentrations are higher, if there is less water.

I am now evenmore confused my test result were ammonia 0.25 nitrites 0 nitrates 20 is this good? What should I do now?? This is becoming a stressful and confusing experience!
Ok, don't stress hun. You've got no animals right now, so you can't hurt anything yet. We'll take you through it step by step, if you like. First, I'll explain your readings:
* Ammonia is *sometimes* present in water supplies. If your tap water is reading 0 ppm ammonia and your tank water is reading 0.25 ppm ammonia, after you added dechlorinator, it means that your tap water contains chloramine. I have exactly the same situation, see http://aquariumadventure.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/first-water-tests-and-ammonia-dosing/
* Nitrite reading means you have no tap nitrite and no bacteria in your filter.
* It is normal for tap nitrate to be that high, nothing to worry about here.

Your next step should be to decide if you want to do a fish-in cycle (which is what your shop is telling you to do) or a fish-less cycle (which is what we're telling you to do). One thing to consider at this point is that you will be giving your money to the shop, on the other hand, I will never see any of it and will probably never find out who you actually are.. and to be honest, there is a lot more fun stuff I could be doing right now. So why am I here? Because it makes me feel good if another person has a good experience and one less fish dies. I am very biased towards fish-less, but here is what I wrote about it: http://aquariumadventure.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/fish-less-cycling/
0.25 ppm is an arbitrary value we chose for simplicity. Depending on the set-up, ammonia and nitrite can be less or more harmful at those values.
* Fish-in: you get fish in the aquarium immediately, but need to do daily water changes for 4-12 weeks to keep ammonia and nitrite always below 0.25 ppm. If you do not, the fish may be harmed permanently and/or die.
* Fish-less: you start off with an empty tank for 4-8 weeks, but no animals are harmed in the process. From my point of view, less stressful than running around with buckets of water and wondering if your fish are being poisoned while you're out doing shopping.

For me, the choice is really easy and personally, I would prefer if your daughter learnt patience and care for her animals early on, as I am sure she will keep other pets when she is older.
 
Thank you for your welcome! I realise it is a small tank for most but as it was a birthday present for my daughters 7th birthday was just expecting to get a small tank in a pretty girlie colour like in the Argos catalogue she circled!! Little did I realise these turn out to be fish killers!! So find myself crossing my fingers the weight of her tank is not too much for my sideboard! Haha
I purchased some testing kit from a different fish store and was told to add nothing to the water just wait a week and test the water it should be ok then?! I mentioned cycling and was told not to worry about doing this as it's only a little tank and will sort its self out unaided!! I am now evenmore confused my test result were ammonia 0.25 nitrites 0 nitrates 20 is this good? What should I do now?? This is becoming a stressful and confusing experience!

the tank should be fine on your sideboard(assume u mean bed side table sort of thing) i used to have a 65L tank on one and it was fine :good:
 
So find myself crossing my fingers the weight of her tank is not too much for my sideboard!
the tank should be fine on your sideboard(assume u mean bed side table sort of thing) i used to have a 65L tank on one and it was fine :good:
A sideboard is a cupboard-type piece of furniture which is usually used in dining rooms and lounges.

That depends on the build of the furniture: where it takes the weight, how much support does it have, etc. I have tried a chest of drawers recently which sagged from my weight, but another shelving unit was fine.. both were made of the same, cheap material, but one would not take the tank. The important thing to take into account is that a 48 litre aquarium will probably weigh 60-70 kg when full and with all the decor.
 
I purchased some testing kit from a different fish store and was told to add nothing to the water just wait a week and test the water it should be ok then?! I mentioned cycling and was told not to worry about doing this as it's only a little tank and will sort its self out unaided!!
Ah, you misheard them :) they actually said "Give us some money, when the fish die, come back and give us more money! That way, you keep us in a job, and we can probably sell you expensive and useless products to solve your "problems"!".
Seriously? It is a LOT more dangerous to do that in a small aquarium than a large one because the concentrations are higher, if there is less water.

I am now evenmore confused my test result were ammonia 0.25 nitrites 0 nitrates 20 is this good? What should I do now?? This is becoming a stressful and confusing experience!
Ok, don't stress hun. You've got no animals right now, so you can't hurt anything yet. We'll take you through it step by step, if you like. First, I'll explain your readings:
* Ammonia is *sometimes* present in water supplies. If your tap water is reading 0 ppm ammonia and your tank water is reading 0.25 ppm ammonia, after you added dechlorinator, it means that your tap water contains chloramine. I have exactly the same situation, see http://aquariumadventure.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/first-water-tests-and-ammonia-dosing/
* Nitrite reading means you have no tap nitrite and no bacteria in your filter.
* It is normal for tap nitrate to be that high, nothing to worry about here.

Your next step should be to decide if you want to do a fish-in cycle (which is what your shop is telling you to do) or a fish-less cycle (which is what we're telling you to do). One thing to consider at this point is that you will be giving your money to the shop, on the other hand, I will never see any of it and will probably never find out who you actually are.. and to be honest, there is a lot more fun stuff I could be doing right now. So why am I here? Because it makes me feel good if another person has a good experience and one less fish dies. I am very biased towards fish-less, but here is what I wrote about it: http://aquariumadventure.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/fish-less-cycling/
0.25 ppm is an arbitrary value we chose for simplicity. Depending on the set-up, ammonia and nitrite can be less or more harmful at those values.
* Fish-in: you get fish in the aquarium immediately, but need to do daily water changes for 4-12 weeks to keep ammonia and nitrite always below 0.25 ppm. If you do not, the fish may be harmed permanently and/or die.
* Fish-less: you start off with an empty tank for 4-8 weeks, but no animals are harmed in the process. From my point of view, less stressful than running around with buckets of water and wondering if your fish are being poisoned while you're out doing shopping.

For me, the choice is really easy and personally, I would prefer if your daughter learnt patience and care for her animals early on, as I am sure she will keep other pets when she is older.


First of all thanks so much for your help, I have decided to go down the fishless cycling route for 2 reasons firstly I dont want to be cruel to the fish and secondly this 'present' has cost me a fortune already and I haven't got money to waste on poor fish I will no doubt kill!! My daughter will have to be content with a tank of warm water, pretty gravel and some plants for now. Right lets get down to business I have my heater on and the water is 26-28 degrees c at moment, the gravel, plants (silk, 2 little real grass like ones and 2 moss balls) and plastic cave are in the tank with dechlorinaded water. I need to locate ammonia or fish food and then I am all set, is this right?
I would really like to keep contacting you for help if I can but just say if I'm being a pain!
 
Boots do ammonia, but you have to order it online to be collected instore; Homebase do it too.

The 'pure' ammonia (it's really ammnoia and water) is better than the fish food method as it's easier to control the levels going in; fish food is very 'hit and miss'.

You're not being a pain; the reason why most of us come here is to help other people have happy, healthy fish; you ask as many questions as you like :good:

The trick with children and fish-less cycles is to really explain to them, step-by-step, what you're doing and why and keep them involved as much as possible; that way they don't get so annoyed at having to wait so long for the fish!

Mine love helping me do the water testing; obviously you don't want 7 year olds messing with the actual chemicals, but they can help with measuring out the water and reading the colours (they're pretty good at filling in charts with coloured pens as well ;) ).
 
That sounds pretty good, assuming you have a filter too. Do you also have some testing kits to test the Ammonia and Nitrite levels? I noticed you know the levels so maybe you do or maybe the fish shop did it for you? If you haven't got these then you will need some - the liquid testers are better IMO.

Also, just so you know, Ammonia and light together can create algae so you may have a bit of a problem with an algae attack as I'm guessing your plants will need light to grow properly. Probably not a major problem as this can probably be cleaned up later if it happens.

Apart from that, you seem to be ready to go! If you are in the UK you can pick Ammonia up from boots (I got mine from there) or I think Homebase and Tesco probably have some too.
 

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