Need A Question Answered Please

[Inchworm]

Durbkat, as a general rule if its to big to fit in an angels mouth its safe
. The only other time to worry (in a tank that size) is breeding time (if you end up with a pair) but a tank that size the other fish should be able stay out of the angels way

Andrew

Katchan,

I hope you don't mean to imply that just being alive is the same thing as being safe. It's not.

Stress is harmful to fish and having an aggressive tankmate is a major cause of it. Since they are living in a relatively small space, they cannot escape to freedom. Eventually, even if they are not killed outright, they are apt to slowly decline and eventually become sick and die.

 

[tidytourniquet]

A penguin 350 has room for 4 cartridges, if you only have 2 what do you have in the other 2 slots? If nothing then why dont you just get 2 more cartridges and seed them for her tank?

 

[Torrean]

That's a really good idea. Does she have her filter yet? If she does just stick a couple of her cartridges in your filter.

 

[Katchan]

Durbkat, as a general rule if its to big to fit in an angels mouth its safe
. The only other time to worry (in a tank that size) is breeding time (if you end up with a pair) but a tank that size the other fish should be able stay out of the angels way

Andrew

Katchan,

I hope you don't mean to imply that just being alive is the same thing as being safe. It's not.

Stress is harmful to fish and having an aggressive tankmate is a major cause of it. Since they are living in a relatively small space, they cannot escape to freedom. Eventually, even if they are not killed outright, they are apt to slowly decline and eventually become sick and die.

Inchworm...LAY OFF
You know exactley what I meant, and if you dont you dont know angels well enough to comment on them! Or your just picking to be aggressive, either way your being rude and I take much offense.

Other than one particular angel that I've had (which killed fish more than twice its size and as such I think had a "slight" problem), angels as a general rule (there are exceptions to the general behaviour rules with just about any fish...) will leave fish alone to large to fit in its mouth (some are fine even with neons etc, wether this be because they are raised with such fish or they are satisfied by the diet provided or whatever is all open to debate). Angels may aggress with other angels when first introduced but this usually settles down as soon as a pecking order is establised (with similar sized fish this sometimes may take more time), usually with little more than a torn fin. Occasionally Angels have territorial issues with other fish, but as I said this is usually only to do with breeding, otherwise angels do not adhere to much of a fixed territory (if any at all) to be territorial about.

I think it safe to say by and by and most people would probably agree that Angels are a Non-aggressive fish, more so for a cichlid. In my experience I've see more aggression from male guppies to anything that might be 1-a threat to their maleness (violence) or 2- to anything they "might" be able to poke there gonopodium at (stress)


NB Self-defense for example against finnipping barbs is about the only reason I can think of for open aggression by an angel against medium/large sized fish

NB I have a pair of gold pearlscales that happily breed (3 times) 6-7 inches above a pair of convicts cave and is within their territory, as exampled here thay can be less than aggressive about their breeding spots (note this a 57 gallon tank with more than a couple ideal egg laying locations)

Sorry to hijack this thread

Andrew

 

[Durbkat]

A penguin 350 has room for 4 cartridges, if you only have 2 what do you have in the other 2 slots? If nothing then why dont you just get 2 more cartridges and seed them for her tank?

I would but the second slots are to small and when I tried to put the cartridges in the smaller slots it didn't fit. I don't have anything in the other ones and today I have to get new bio wheels because before I set the tank up I put the bio wheels in the 10g and a fish got sick and died in it and didn't want to take the risk of cross contamination, I also put the regular cartridges in my 20g while the fish were still in their to give the media some bacteria.

 

[lisie]

Durbkat, as a general rule if its to big to fit in an angels mouth its safe
. The only other time to worry (in a tank that size) is breeding time (if you end up with a pair) but a tank that size the other fish should be able stay out of the angels way

Andrew

Katchan,

I hope you don't mean to imply that just being alive is the same thing as being safe. It's not.

Stress is harmful to fish and having an aggressive tankmate is a major cause of it. Since they are living in a relatively small space, they cannot escape to freedom. Eventually, even if they are not killed outright, they are apt to slowly decline and eventually become sick and die.

Inchworm...LAY OFF
You know exactley what I meant, and if you dont you dont know angels well enough to comment on them! Or your just picking to be aggressive, either way your being rude and I take much offense.

Yeesh... charity, mate. Inchworm didn't claim to be an expert on angelfish, but was just offering a good piece of advice on the effects of stress that is applicable to any fish. I find you're the one who is being rude, especially by telling her that she knows exactly what you meant, as I doubt anyone here, including Inchworm, is a mind reader.

 

[tidytourniquet]

A penguin 350 has room for 4 cartridges, if you only have 2 what do you have in the other 2 slots? If nothing then why dont you just get 2 more cartridges and seed them for her tank?

I would but the second slots are to small and when I tried to put the cartridges in the smaller slots it didn't fit. I don't have anything in the other ones and today I have to get new bio wheels because before I set the tank up I put the bio wheels in the 10g and a fish got sick and died in it and didn't want to take the risk of cross contamination, I also put the regular cartridges in my 20g while the fish were still in their to give the media some bacteria.

Are you sure you were putting them in the right way. I have a Penguin 350b and I have a cartridge in each slot and they fit just fine. They also have media baskets you can get and fill with whatever kind of ceramic ring or whatever you like and let her have or borrow one until her filter gets cycled. Im just trying to think of a way where you dont have to take anything from yours and risk a mini cycle

 

[Durbkat]

Nevermind it does fit. Once she gets the filter how long should I keep her filter cartridges in my filter before I put it in her tank?

 

[Torrean]

Don't think you guys see what I'm talkin about. It doesn't matter what he does he'll still be removing the same % of his bacteria from his tank. There's nothing he can do to lessen his chances of a minicycle except give her less bacteria. There is only a certain amount of bacteria in a given tank because there is only a certain amount of ammonia in a given tank. If he adds more media and let's it pick up bacteria that will lessen the amount of bacteria on his other forms of media. Then if he gives that to his friend he'll just be giving her less bacteria. See what i mean?

One thing he could do is overfeed for the next two weeks. I'm not sure cause I haven't taken the time to look at his current stocking list but I believe his tank is very lightly stocked. if he overfeeds the left over food will (I think) break down into ammonia. This will cause there to be more bacteria in the tank. That may very well prevent a minicycle because there will be more bacteria to divide between the two tanks.

 

[Durbkat]

Oh your saying like if I put her media in my filter for a few weeks it won't get enough bacteria on it because my media will be getting most of the bacteria on it?

 

[Torrean]

not exactly. I'm saying that the bacteria will theoretically be equally divide among all media in the tank. Could be wrong though. BTW I edited my last post

 

[lilmolly]

As long as your fish are healthy and aren't on meds I don't see why not

 

[Durbkat]

One thing he could do is overfeed for the next two weeks. I'm not sure cause I haven't taken the time to look at his current stocking list but I believe his tank is very lightly stocked. if he overfeeds the left over food will (I think) break down into ammonia. This will cause there to be more bacteria in the tank. That may very well prevent a minicycle because there will be more bacteria to divide between the two tanks.

Well she has not even set the tank up because she has no filter or heater. I know my tank is lightly stocked and will be getting 3 more long finned long finned black widow tetras then in a week or two I'm getting 2 more black widow tetras, then in a week or two I'm getting 4 angelfish.

 

[xanthianacid]

Durbkat, as a general rule if its to big to fit in an angels mouth its safe
. The only other time to worry (in a tank that size) is breeding time (if you end up with a pair) but a tank that size the other fish should be able stay out of the angels way

Andrew

Katchan,

I hope you don't mean to imply that just being alive is the same thing as being safe. It's not.

Stress is harmful to fish and having an aggressive tankmate is a major cause of it. Since they are living in a relatively small space, they cannot escape to freedom. Eventually, even if they are not killed outright, they are apt to slowly decline and eventually become sick and die.

Inchworm...LAY OFF
You know exactley what I meant, and if you dont you dont know angels well enough to comment on them! Or your just picking to be aggressive, either way your being rude and I take much offense.

Yeesh... charity, mate. Inchworm didn't claim to be an expert on angelfish, but was just offering a good piece of advice on the effects of stress that is applicable to any fish. I find you're the one who is being rude, especially by telling her that she knows exactly what you meant, as I doubt anyone here, including Inchworm, is a mind reader.

lisie,
There is alot of history here you obviously aren't aware of. If Katchan is a little defensive I can totally understand as I am aware of that history, but you can't be or you wouldn't have commented. I think his going into exactly what he meant was for clarification not rudeness. Might be good to rememeber that there is often more than meets the eye OK?
Xanthia
EDIT: apogises to Durkbat for hijacking thread.

 

[Katchan]

Yeesh... charity, mate. Inchworm didn't claim to be an expert on angelfish, but was just offering a good piece of advice on the effects of stress that is applicable to any fish. I find you're the one who is being rude, especially by telling her that she knows exactly what you meant, as I doubt anyone here, including Inchworm, is a mind reader.

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@ durkbat
I think you will do well both continuing with your tank and helping to set up this new one, for one your not afraid to ask for help, and I hope you enjoy your angels when you get them

Andrew