My Tank Is A Nightmare!

DanaLeChiffre

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Wierd things are happening in my tank...

There is brown algea stuff everywhere, my plants are falling apart, theres a tiny snail on the glass, all my fake plants and real wood have green fur on them
:blink: :crazy: :unsure: :huh: :-(

Whats happening?!?!?!
 
Oh dear!

Give some info here:

Size of tank
Age of tank
is filter cycled.
Substrate used
Lights - what are they, how long are they on for.
Plants - what are they, how many.
Do do dose any ferts into the tank - if so, what & how much.

Fish - what are they, how many? How often / how much / what do you feed your fish

A pic would be great.

Snails - I'll tell you how to kill those bas...ds, but not a priority... yet! (DON'T squish them IN the tank if you do).

Hopefully we can get you trough this, but try to answer ALL my questions please!

Andy
 
Where in the room is your tank situated in relation to daylight? Also, how many hours per day do you have your tank lights on for?

You can remove the fake plants/wood/ornaments and scrub the green algae off with a toothbrush (use either a new one or one that has been sterilised in boiling water and thoroughly clean). Use a glass scraper to remove any algae from the tank sides. Do regular gravel vacs and water changes (at least weekly).

Any real plants that are decaying, going brown, remove these from the tank as they will only pollute the water. It means they have died due to lack of light and nutrients.

It's difficult getting the balance just right with the lighting - too much and you end up with algae, too little and you still end up with algae (just different types)! Also the position of your tank in the room can also encourage algae growth, if it's positioned in direct sunlight, or tucked away too far in a dark alcove.

Athena
 
Sorry It could so long to post back......... to much going on at once.



Its 240 Litres
All cycled and about month ago
Roman pea gravel used
Lights are on for about 12 hours a day
I did have plants But binned them. I really need new ones, because my tank looks bear.

er....

I have 8 Tiger Barbs and 5 Cherry Barbs
I only had about 3 snails and I cant see to find any more ( Great News )

I totally cleaned out my tank now, so It all looks a whole lot better. But I would still like help with my plants if anyone can help.


Toda and Shalom
 
Dana, do you have any idea whether your water is hard or soft? How about the pH, what is it for tap water and for tank water? That light that is on 12 hours, can you find out what wattage it is (total if multiple bulbs) and describe the type/width of the bulbs?

You say the plants are gone now but you didn't answer Underwurlde about what, if anything, you did about plant nutrition (carbon and fertilizers etc.) Also, what is your substrate did you do anything for the plant roots?

~~waterdrop~~
 
Limnophila sessiliflora ... This is the plant I had, three of them.
I'd love to get them again, Its a nice plant.

Mum says our water here is soft. Tank pH is about 6.6, It changes sometimes.

As for the lighting...
1 x Tube Day-Lite 15 W (438 mm)
1 x Tube Warm-Lite 15 W (438 mm)

The only lights I have are the ones that can with the new lighting unit.
 
Dana, first let me say that (in my opinion and I'm definately biased by my own problems, lol!) I think plants are a hard thing to learn, quite a bit harder than fishless cycling and that one's not easy. So you have to look at it as an ongoing learning thing, perhaps over the next year or two, its that kind of timescale I think on average.

Sounds like you've got about a half watt per U.S. gallon (.5w/g) and that's pretty low, possibly off the low end of the "low-light technique" range, but I'm not experienced enough to quite know... it might be ok for low-light technique. With low-light method you need to choose from those species of plants that can handle low light, like java ferns, anubia nanas perhaps, perhaps some amazon swords, I don't know what else (George Farmer has a post somewhere on "easy plants.") Now low-light technique itself is usually a -good- thing for beginners because light is like the "gas pedal" for tanks with live plants, increase it and lots of things start happening fast and the chance of accidents gets greater.

Another thing I see in your situation is that if your mom is right and the water is soft and your pH is getting down to 6.6, then you're at a disadvantage with most plants. You may be a candidate for using crushed coral to raise the hardness and eventually the pH of your tank very gently and steadily. Despite things you'll hear, most plants do not do as well in soft, acid water. About the only thing that does well in that type water are a few types of fish that get their breeding stimulated by it. Not saying to run out and do this right away, just giving you ideas to learn about.

Another thing that I believe frequently happens to beginners or anyone with new tank setups is that the nutrition of the plants is not enough. Plants need rather a lot of nutrients and they need to come into the tank in the right amounts at the right times. A common technique for your type of situation would be what's called "reduced EI" (EI stands for Estimative Index and the planted tank section pinned topics go over it) which is basically a way to add fertilizers (ferts are divided into macro-nutrients and micro-nutrients) and then take out the "excess" fertilizer at the end of the week with the weekly water change so that you "reset" the amounts.

One plant nutrient, carbon, is special. Its extremely important because plenty of it is needed by the plant to make glucose, which transports energy around the plant for all the cells to "eat," so in a sense its the "main meal" of the plant. Carbon is also notoriously difficult to get to the plant because in its ideal forms you can just pour it into the tank like other nutrients. Thus the whole planted tank skill area of CO2, which is another topic not to get overwhelmed by but to maybe start reading about. Now, recently, there are new things on the market called "liquid carbons" (such as Seachem Excel and another product, EasyCarbo, I believe.) These do in fact make it possible to "pour in carbon" but unfortunately they do not necessarily perform as well as CO2 and they act differently from it. Despite this, these often work well with low-light but are expensive.. but they might work for you at some point.

Finally, we get to algae. Its pretty darn hard not to have brown(sometimes reddish) algae (diatoms?) in a new tank. The little pockets of ammonia are just too common that trigger this algae and things are just still too unbalanced by the new aquarist. Algae is a "skill set" and to understand it often takes already understanding the skills of light, nutrition and carbon first.

Now! Hopefully some other members will come along and give you some one-liners so that the task seems easier! ;)

~~waterdrop~~
 
...ok.... :huh:

So I need better lighting, carbon for my plants and things should be better??


I got a whole bunch of new plants which costs a fortune :eek: So I want these ones to last.
 
I'm not saying I can tell you what to do. Its near impossible to give from afar a prescription that will work for a given individual. From where I sit, the actual buying of expensive plants would be like the final celebration of having figured out how to operate light, substrate, macro/micro nutrients and carbon in my tank in an effective manner. But I'm a patient older guy than you and very slow to act, so that's not helping you much!

OK, so at the risk of being wrong, I'll toss some ideas out for you and you can choose to either experiment with them directly or you can take some time and run them by the guys in the planted forum or you can read about them there, but don't take me for anything like the kind of experienced person those folks are, lol.

The first thing I would do is work on getting some TPN+ fertilizer or some other similar thing that would supply most of your macro/micros and along with that some easycarbo or flourish excel which you can double-dose. Its important to be aware that this will "melt" some plants like crypts, which will then have to regenerate their leaves from the crown. I would probably get flourish tabs or some other if you have larger swords and periodically put one under the roots, assuming you don't have some sort of soil or high-tech substrate under your upper substrate. I would consider getting a bag of crushed coral and starting with a palmful in a mesh bag in the filter and monitor what that does to pH, which might be that it will rise slightly within a couple of weeks. If its a modest rise, you could consider increasing the coral a bit. I'd definately be aware to be doing significant weekly water changes, which I'm sure you're already doing. I'd seek advice from the planted forum as to how urgent it would be to add more light or whether what you have will be enough for the species (you'll need to list the species for them) of plants you are trying to keep alive. I also might seek advice from them about whether your tank flow is enough or whether you might want to supplement it with a koralia 1 or similar type powerhead.

~~waterdrop~~
 
With low-light method you need to choose from those species of plants that can handle low light, like java ferns, anubia nanas...

The tank may not be as low light as you think due to its size, but these would be ideal plants for this tank, along with Crypts and mosses.

Another thing I see in your situation is that if your mom is right and the water is soft and your pH is getting down to 6.6, then you're at a disadvantage with most plants.

Where have you heard this WD? If the above was the case, none of my tanks would grow. Virtually all plants will thrive in soft water, including Vallis with a little preseverance. With one or two exceptions such as Tonina sp that insist on soft water, very few others care at all about pH or KH within reason.

Dave.
 

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