My New Hatchetfish Arent Eating

[dmoney22]

Hi i have three new hatchets that have been quarantined for 3 weeks now in a ten gallon fully cycled tank, they have been eating great and zipping around happily up until now, but since last night they have not been eating well. This morning they ate a little bit of a liver flake i gave them, but not the color flake theyre usually ecstatic about and they barely ate any of the liver treat. I am very worried about them also because of one of their heads, as seen in the picture below
The water quality is good and I don't know whats wrong, please help me!!

 

[WILDER]

Do you have any frozen foods?

Do you mean the white mark on the head area?
Can you describe the mark in more detail.
If it looks bleached out. Any red, or pink areas to the white mark on head?

Do any of the hatchets show any of these symptoms.
Looking pale or darker in colour.
Resting alot on bottom of tank.
Leaning to one side when resting.
Turning upside down.

Do you have any plants, or ornaments in the tank?

 

[magpie]

What are your water parameters and what are the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels right now?

 

[dmoney22]

Do you have any frozen foods?

Do you mean the white mark on the head area?
Can you describe the mark in more detail.
If it looks bleached out. Any red, or pink areas to the white mark on head?

Do any of the hatchets show any of these symptoms.
Looking pale or darker in colour.
Resting alot on bottom of tank.
Leaning to one side when resting.
Turning upside down.

Do you have any plants, or ornaments in the tank?

water is good, the hatchets look regular and are swimming regularly, and showing none of those symptoms. The mark on the head is pinkish in the middle with red on the outside. I have two ornaments in the tank that have been there for a long time. Have not been using any frozen foods but do have some, and the ph is around 7.8. nitrates/ites and ammonia allllll 0. my mom thinks that they have a disease called flexibacter columnaris.

Do you have any frozen foods?

Do you mean the white mark on the head area?
Can you describe the mark in more detail.
If it looks bleached out. Any red, or pink areas to the white mark on head?

Do any of the hatchets show any of these symptoms.
Looking pale or darker in colour.
Resting alot on bottom of tank.
Leaning to one side when resting.
Turning upside down.

Do you have any plants, or ornaments in the tank?

water is good, the hatchets look regular and are swimming regularly, and showing none of those symptoms. The mark on the head is pinkish in the middle with red on the outside. I have two ornaments in the tank that have been there for a long time. Have not been using any frozen foods but do have some, and the ph is around 7.8. nitrates/ites and ammonia allllll 0. my mom thinks that they have a disease called flexibacter columnaris.

the hatchets are definitely breathing harder though

 

[WILDER]

Just wanted to make sure the fish had some hiding spaces. As fish can get stressed it bare tanks.

It does sounds bacterial. Columnaris wounds are usally red on the edges, white in the centre.

I think I would add a bacterial med to the tank.
Increase aeration.
Remove black carbon from filter.
Also try some frozen foods.
Foods soaked in garlic stimulates appetite, gives the immune system a boost.

Some info for you to read. Article. Unknown lumps and bump. badmanstropicalfish.com

>UKNOWN LUMPS AND BUMP
/badmanstropicalfish.com/article
Wounds that are white on the edges and red in the center are most typically Aeromonas. Those that are red on the edges and white in the center are generally Columnaris. Both are gram negative bacteria. The best treatment for this is any sulfa antibiotic with trimetheprim. This can be put in the water and mixed with food -- if you can find Romet B

 

[dmoney22]

Just wanted to make sure the fish had some hiding spaces. As fish can get stressed it bare tanks.

It does sounds bacterial. Columnaris wounds are usally red on the edges, white in the centre.

I think I would add a bacterial med to the tank.
Increase aeration.
Remove black carbon from filter.
Also try some frozen foods.
Foods soaked in garlic stimulates appetite, gives the immune system a boost.

Some info for you to read. Article. Unknown lumps and bump. badmanstropicalfish.com

>UKNOWN LUMPS AND BUMP
/badmanstropicalfish.com/article
Wounds that are white on the edges and red in the center are most typically Aeromonas. Those that are red on the edges and white in the center are generally Columnaris. Both are gram negative bacteria. The best treatment for this is any sulfa antibiotic with trimetheprim. This can be put in the water and mixed with food -- if you can find Romet B

Thanks for all the tips, how does one soak food in garlic though??
these are the flakes i have
http/www.almostnaturalfishfood.us/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2

 

[WILDER]

Maracyn plus is a good med to use. But it will knock your good bacteria in your filter.

You can buy fish foods with garlic already added.

How does one soak food in garlic though??
Get a dish and add the garlic juice. add the flakes, or pellets, wait till the food looks like it's soaked up the garlic. Then feed to your fish.

 

[dmoney22]

Treated with maracyn in the quarantine tank, but this caused the ammonia to skyrocket past any manageable level, so we put them to sleep. So now the quarantine tank's bacteria are completely obliterated. A week ago there were two other fish , a scissor tail rasbora and a bleeding heart tetra, and i put them in the main tank on tuesday. The hatchetfish were put to sleep yesterday, and the rasbora and bleeding heart seem to be fine in the main tank, eating well and theyre energetic with no markings. However, the hatchetfish didnt eat last night or this morning. There appears to be small white stuff on his mouth too, but after looking at other pics of hatchets on the internet I cant tell if theres much of a difference. We called out local fish store and he reccomended methylene blue to treat columnaris without affecting our filter, and that we just put our live plants in the qt for now. So 2 questions: does methylene blue cure columnaris, does columnaris usually only affect one fish out of the whole tank, even not the fish that could have brought it in, and is cottonmouth on fish usually very noticeable or is it slight? Thanks!

 

[WILDER]

Bless them

You just keep preforming water changes to keep the ammonia levels down. Or add some ammonia lock.. then add the correct amount of med back to the water removed.


Methylene blue can knock your good bacteria in your filter.
I would rather dab the wounds, or preform a methylene blue bath.
Sometimes this method helps. But if its a bad strain of columnaris you do need to use maracyn.
Lowering the temp helps as it slow down the bacteria. So the med has a chance to work.

 

[dmoney22]

Bless them

You just keep preforming water changes to keep the ammonia levels down. Or add some ammonia lock.. then add the correct amount of med back to the water removed.


Methylene blue can knock your good bacteria in your filter.
I would rather dab the wounds, or preform a methylene blue bath.
Sometimes this method helps. But if its a bad strain of columnaris you do need to use maracyn.
Lowering the temp helps as it slow down the bacteria. So the med has a chance to work.

What I meant to say is the hatchetfish in the big tank that I already had has the white stuff on his mouth. He seems healthy though and doesnt gasp for breath or anything, and all the other fish are healthy eating plentifully. Do you mean put the hatchet in the quarantine tank and then change water frequently? And why would the hatchet get it but not the fish that most likely introduced it, and wouldnt all the fish get it anyway?

 

[WILDER]

Disease gets hold of a fish if the immune system is weak. Or the fish is stressed.

Get you a good link to columnaris.
http/www.petfish.net/articles/Bettas/columnaris.php