My Fish Tank Is So Hard To Maintain

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xCowlesy

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Hi, i have a 304 JAD fish tank..
ive had it over 4 months now with my fish in..

At the beginning it was so difficult to get the bacteria levels right, the fish were obviously not happy with their surroundings and i have quite alot of deaths from that..

And now, it seams to having the same problem all over again, i use bacteria solution when cleaning out, using the correct amounths per litre Etc Etc..

I just cant understand what the problem is anymore!

Help! PLEASE!!

:( :(
 
What is the 'bacteria solution' you're using? You should only need to add a dechlorinater when putting in new water. And what's your cleaning routine? How often?
 
How did you cycle the tank?


As above, the only thing that you should need to add is dechlorinator. If you are adding a product like "Cycle" with every water change, I'm going to guess that your tank is not cycled properly and you are in for some mini-cycles in the future.

Read through the Beginners Resource Center articles, specifically The Nitrogen Cycle and New Tank Syndrome.
 
Well, as i have a large tank, i have quite a few fish in and as you probably know that means alot of muck! and icky stuff..
So i have to remove my plants, my ornatments and everything so i can clean the gravel (i do this every time i clean the tank out), i clean the tank out when its needed, sometimes its once every two week or once a month (i guess it would depend on the fishes dirt haha xD)

Anyhoos, i use king british soloutions, always have, i always use dechlorinator in my water when i clean them out..

The only reason i used bacteria this time was because i fully emptied the tank and replaced with clean water and the last time i had alot of deaths because didnt use bacteria and had to get bacteria out of my friends tank which helped..

My fishies dont look happy at all i must say but have perked up a bit since yesterday!!
 
If you're having to do that much cleaning, something is wrong; either your under-filtered, over-stocked, or over feeding.

For example, I have a 220l tank in my bedroom, with 42 green neons, 18 hatchets, a couple of bristnoses, a whiptail plec and nine glass cats, and I don't have to clean my tank like you're having to do yours.

I change 50% of the water every week, and hoover under the ornaments and round the plants, maybe once a month or so. I've never had to strip it down or do a total change in the 2 1/2 years it's been running.

I've never had to use bacteria in my tank, because I look after what I have; how are you cleaning out your filter that you need to add some? You should have plenty of bacteria after four months. All you need is a dechlorinator.

Please don't think I'm 'having a go', I just want to help you work out what's going wrong so you can have happy, healthy fish :good:
 
i agree with fluttermoth..it may be a case of under-filtering. from your list, i don't think you are overstocked. can you tell us what kind of filter you have?? maybe the addition of another filter might be necessary. as fluttermoth said though, something is definitely wrong if you are having to clean out like that. my cleaning regime is basically the same as fluttermoths and i only use de chlorinator. let us know what filter you have and maybe someone will be able to tell you if that is the problem. do you think you might be overfeeding them? that definitely wouldn't help, especially if your filter is not doing its job!!

L :)
 
Wow, wasnt expecting so many replies!! haha, thankyou!

Anyhoos, i would say my filter isnt that big for the size of tank that it is, i did have a large filter to start off with but it was killing all of my neons by eating them up!! So i had to get rid of that, the filter may be small but i do clean it regular so it keeps on doing its job, to clean it, i take some of the fish tank water out and put it into a bucket, cleaning my sponges inside the water that i have just taken out of the fish tank (as ive heard cleaning it under tap water isnt good)..

Im not positive on what type of filter it is, but it cost me £20 at my local garden centre fish shop.

Im very jelous that you dont have to clean your tank out so much, but my gravel never looked clean since i put it in (i cleaned it in my bathtub when i first bought the gravel). Anyways, it wasnt a case of i NEEDED to do a full clean out, it was i wanted to, to give it a good thorough clean (plus i needed to move my stand further over which is impossible with the tank on top :) ).

I wasnt positive on how many times i clean the tank, what i said before was i rough guess! Im not certain as i dont keep track, i think it is a good idea to start taking track on when i clean and what i do when cleaning.. My fish are just dirty little fishies! And my plecostomus isnt good at doing his job! He prefers to just sit around doing nothing :)

My fish today seam alot happier, my guppy just had babies, 10 as far as i can see so far! (im going to be overrun!!)

As i am a newbie to the whole tropical fish back in march/april time is when i started, im getting panicked over little things! I just dont want anymore deaths! :(

Thankyou so much for all your replies!! Very grateful!

:) :p :D

 
If you bought the plec from the shop on the basis that it would clean the tank then that was a mistake. Plecs don't clean. They eat veggies and poop for England! :lol: joking aside, its not your fishes job to clean the tank, its yours. Also, its likely you have a common plec in which case, even with your large tank, it might be wise to take it back - they get 2 feet long. And poop accordingly (imagine 4 foot long strings off poop across your tank) :X

The other option is a serious filter upgrade to ensure it can handle the bioload of the plec. I would suggest for a tank that size an external filter rather than an internal one. You can buy them second hand off eBay, or all pond solutions and hydor do good external for relatively little money. A small internal really isn't sufficient for a big tank like yours. Also, for the record, healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters, so I would suggest your neon tetras were weak rather than the filter being overly strong.

Next, how are you cleaning your gravel? When you do a gravel vac you need to push the end of the vac right down into the gravel and you'll get a cloud of muck come up the tube, once the cloud has moved up a couple of inches, pull the vac out and push it down somewhere else. You should get quite adept at this, and be able to get around all the available gravel with a 50% water change. This will keep on top of all the poop on a week-by-week basis, then as previously said, once a month or so lift the ornaments up and vac underneath them. Maybe even do one ornament each week, so it's not a huge extra job each month.

You are quite right to swish your filter media in old tank water, not tap water. Chlorine is toxic to filter bacteria as well as fish, so the dechlorinator is for two reasons! Keep up with that :good:

I'd like to suggest two other things that will probably make life easier for you. Firstly: put a hose attachment on the end of your gravel vac and use a piece of garden hose to empty the water directly into your flowerbeds/water butt/drain, and then refill directly from the tap. Trust me, it makes water changes SOOOO much easier! (I have a 240l tank and cannot imagine doing water changes any other way anymore!) Secondly, buy some concentrated dechlorinator, like Seachem Prime. It's slightly more expensive at first, but it will last you much longer. I used to use stress coat, and was going through 1 bottle every couple of months. Then I bought my first bottle of prime. That was nearly 2 years ago and I have just bought my second bottle yesterday!

Finally, I just want to reiterate that if you are getting ammonia/nitrite readings the way to fix it is to do water changes, not to add bacteria liquid. Those things are a waste of money. Save your money and spend it on something else. Nothing can substitute for a healthy bacterial colony, so that is what you need to achieve :)

So, to recap:
1. Return plec if possible.
2. Buy a bigger filter, external if possible.
3. Keep up with your water changes.
4. Gravel vac every water change.
5. Use a hose to make life easier.
6. Use prime to save your self some pennies.
7. Stop using bacteria liquid to save even more pennies! :good:
 
I think you should have styed with your larger filter. It's vanishingly rare for healthy fish to get sucked into a filter; my best guess is that were sick from being in an uncycled tank, and were sucked in when already either dead or dying.

You will also have thrown away any good bacteria you had, so you'll need to be testing the water for ammonia and changing water as necessary.

Have a read of some of the articles in the beginner's resource centre (link is in my sig).
 
My fishies seam to be back to their normal selves today which is great to see anyways..

My larger filter sucked them in because they were always next to the filter, i tested the water when i had the larger filter and the water was perfect, but the larger filter just looked bulky and made the tank look horrible (i like my tank to look pretty :) )
The smaller filger seams to be doing its job if you ask me, its just the gravel thats more grose then anything in the tank..

My plec is too cute to take back :eek: My mother likes him too! haha.. He doesnt look like hes grown to be honest, well he probably has grown a couple of CM's or so.. But other than that hes still small.
My friend has the same one and had hers years and its still the same size.

I have a water syphon to do my gravel which cleans it great! but i am thinking of getting the gravel hoover instead anyways!

I going to get my water tested tomorrow so i will be able to check that the water is correct.

Ill take all your advice and stop using the bacteria and stick to my de-chlorinater :)

Thankyou everyone, once again :)

-Sarah,x
 
oh I royally understand about wanting the tank to look good - I was so pleased when I got an external filter, and now I can't wait to get external heater & co2 diffusor too! Never noticed the heater until recently, but now it really bugs me!

Might be wise to get your own test kits, so you don't jeep having to go to the pet shop to have it tested :good:
 
That sounds really good! i could do with investing in external ones, make the tank look SO much better im sure!! dont really have the funds to get stuff like that yet! haha..

Yeah, thats what i meant :)

XD
 
Christmas/birthday present. Ask for money towards it for Christmas/birthday. That's how I got my external ;)
 
I gave my husband a list of things I wanted for my tanks for Christmas last year. The next day he gave me the list back with a credit card and told me to order what I needed. Best Christmas ever! When I gave him the total, he was really surprised. He said when he priced the stuff it came to double the total I gave him. I bought extras too. Must be I'm a better shopper.
 

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