My Bettas Gill Looks Like Its Been Ripped Off :( Pics And Video

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i was just lounging around and my girlfriend pointed out that my beeta had a bit of red on him so naturaly i went over to check it out

and bloody hell!!! one of his gills has kind of like ripped up towards his face,its around 7mm and its a big chunk and its hanging off the left side of his face
it has gone back a few times but it is horrid,its like a slice off him and its bright red underneath,no sign of rot or infection as far as i am aware

his tank is 28 liters and has been set up for a few months,he has been eating fine and as far as i know his behavior has been normal.
in his tank is 2 tall pointy leafed plants (cant remember what they are called) a cave with moss attatched to it and the moss is being held on with thread
the only thing i can think of is the thread but its nowhere near sharp enough or strong enough for him to shred himself on it
the tank runs on a underground filter that leads up to a spraybar aimed backwards to reduce current

i have no idea on my water stats but i change his water 50% twice a week

any idea what is up,how it could have happend or anything
can this be fixed?

-monz
 
a picture would be good to see for sure what it is like :good: could be possible that he could have cut himself on the thread as they do tend to get into anything possible, it's like having naughty kids :rolleyes: at times, it would be flukes as they tend to make the gills stay stuck out so i would say he has damaged it on the thread.
 
i he hasnt done it for a few mins but the 7mm section folds off his body completely at a 90 degree
trying to get a pic but i am having to wait intil he does it again
i've looked at his gills,one looks fine and the bad one looks pretty sore,no sign of any wormy thing tho
is there anything i can do?
 
Do you only see it when he flares (it's not the normal flare?) or is it always hanging off him?

If the gill is badly damaged there might not be much hope for him, poor thing...
 
I could be talking through my hat here, but sometimes the beard just remains hanging out, sometimes even long term.
Is this a possibility?
I've come across references on the internet in the past where this has occurred, and I know I've seen this happen on mine - and if the gill interior is showing, it can look red and worrisome if you've not been lucky enough to have seen advice and explanations along with pictures of this.
As I said, no idea if this is the case here, but especially if it varies with no sign of distress or obvious injury, it may well be a possibility.
Is the red inflamed-looking part only underneath in the gill, and nowhere on the actual flap?
 
its only noticeable when he flares,my gf has been in all day watching him and trying to get a photo of the gill for me.
sadly when he did i the photo was a blurr,she doesnt know to much about fish but she said he seems to breathe rapidly when his gill goes wierd.
underneath looks very red but straight and clean so i doubt its been torn or anything like that it isnt on the outside tho.

i'm sorry if i am not giving much helpful info,i'm trying my best but illness's isnt my strong point
i'm jus a bit worried sick about him
i've left his lamp off all day so he wont be reflected in the glass to stop his flares as much
 
Meant to check back and answer this sooner in case nobody else had...

I could very well be mistaken, but it does sound as though it may simply be his beard protruding, which looks peculiar but isn't an injury, as you said it goes back, and isn't always present.


As stated, don't know exactly what the situation is with your fish, but in case:

Not sure of search terms, and just making a hasty Google collection, as what I encountered over a year of rather betta-specific searching is scattered.
The major beard-out-the-gills-thing isn't common, thank goodness, as it's not only unattractive but worrisome to the owner, although it appears to be harmless.
Doesn't look very comfortable, either, although it doesn't SEEM to bother them....

http://www.bettatalk.com/how_to_sex_bettas.htm

Although the pic there shows a beard just protruding, and I've seen one of mine with a great whack sticking out of what I thought seemed like an inflamed gill.
Luckily, I'd already seen illustrations of this, and had the advantage of knowing that gill interiors are typically red in a healthy fish, which we tend not to notice as they're not ordinarily visible.
Still freaked and worried me, until it finally sorted itself out, I believe it was days later, although may only have seemed that way in retrospect.
(Happened a while back, and occurred soon after I'd got the fish, haven't noticed any such extreme since.)

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1083017

... Although both the male and the female technically have the infamous 'Betta beard', it is really only noticeable on the males. On females, the beard is transparent but can be seen if you know where to look.
The Betta beard is found directly beneath the gill plate cover and is actually a membrane. When the gills of the Betta are closed, the membrane will protrude and be visible. This is when it will look like a beard. The beard is also prominently displayed during flaring.

The beard does not necessarily match the rest of the Betta in color--at least not exactly. ...


http://www.petfish.net/forum/index.php?topic=70657.0

... Maybe i'm not seeing it in the photo. It just looks like his membrane is sticking out a little bit. My Max's membrane sticks out a little all the time because his was damaged a little bit in the bad water at the petstore, it also gave him fin rot. (don't freak out about fin rot, your bettas fins look perfect.) It doesn't affect Max in the least. The membrane is what sticks out when bettas flare. You'll see their gill covers stand out at a 90 degree angle from their body, they'll make their fins look really big, and the membrane will come out kinda like the shape of a beard. ...


http://www.flippersandfins.net/faq.htm

This seems aimed at kiddies but skimmed through anyway, looking for illustrations or mention of this beard-blowing-out-the-gill phenomenon;
has a pic down the page - note how red the gill interior is as shown in a healthy betta.
Does this seem similar to yours?

Well below this are pics of flaring, one having quite a flap showing, although ordinarily they later retract...


http://74.125.113.104/search?q=cache:Xs_hh...cd=19&gl=ca

http://whitesquirrelinstitute.com/glesener_betta_lab.doc
...Watch each fin individually to see what it is doing.
Pay close attention to angles of approach:
"broadside" displays involve primarily the unpaired dorsal, caudal and anal fins, making the fish look much bigger along the midline
"frontal" displays utilize the gills covers, the extended red gills (beard-like in appearance), and paired pectoral fins, making the fish look much stouter from the front.
See if you can detect any difference in frequency of these two approaches when displaying to another male versus a female.
Note when each fish first notices the other and how long the various displays continue (pay particular attention to the length of time each male extends his operculum and gills). ...


(As in the case below, a more common occurance is to have the membrane simply cover the gill.
The fish who'd scared me with the big whack of beard hanging out did and stll does have black-appearing gills, which can happen as the result of ammonia burn damage, and as he'd initially surfaced very frequently for air, I'd assumed that was likely the case with this fish.
However, he's fine now, despite the appearance of blackness remaining.)

http://www.####/index.php?showtopic=23174

... By the way...the "black gills" you were talking about look to me to be his beard instead. The Bettas' beards sit over their gills and are often visible under the gill plates and under the head. If that's the case, there's nothing to worry about with them. Betta beards come in all colors of the rainbow, sometimes with dramatic contrasts against the fish's normal body color. My light-colored lavender/pink female has a dark purple, almost black beard. The iridescent and metallic colors you're starting to notice will most likely become more evident as he feels better, too ...

And another comment
... the beard under his gill plates is normal. my halfmoon cresent blu's beard is alot darker than his blue and white body....lol but it has a bit of clear, that's just how he is. lol ...


Anyway, thought I'd mention as this is something not expected, and I wonder how many people do conclude, when this occurs, that their fish is injured, as I certainly would have, had I not been fortunate enough to have come upon a description of this in my internet travels- although I can't seem to find any now.
 
and yet again i must go and get a cup of tea to sit with for while reading syphonerias post. doesnt half take me a while to read but well worth the reading :)
 
Syphoniera i am just in the process of reading your post but had to stop as i noticed he is doing it loads now and i think i bit of white is around the edge.
my gf says it looks a bit like bone and i think it looks a bit like a crust
he seems a bit weaker and is struggling against the mild current,he had to wrap his tail around a cable to launch himself out of the current :(
i will read your post properly in a short while
i got a very blurry pic of him but i will try and sharpen it up on photoshop...i'm really worried

bloody hell he's made a huge bubble nest tho
 
he now seems to be constantly flared roughtly every 30 seconds,he is being tossed around by the current that has been reduced as much as pos
there a deep red verticle sreaks going throught he exposed area. He is in really bad shape :(
does anybody have an idea of what i can do about it as its getting to the point where it is def an illness of some sort?
i have decided to moniter him till friday then on friday make a tough choice about him
 
Can you post pictures of him? Whether he is flaring or not. Even blurry pictures would be better than no pictures at all.
 
got some pics and a video now :D

here he is before
fighter2.jpg


here he is now
fighterill.jpg


here is a vido of him so you can see that he is doing it loads now,also look how much he is struggling with a pretty mild current



the footage is a bit grainy but i hope it helps
 
Whoa! You've got a river going on in your tank! :eek:

Do you think it's possible that your betta was swimming along and flared as he was going through that current and it popped his gill the same way a strong wind pops an umbrella?
 
the current is actual really mild and he has never had a problem with it before,its a spray bar but is aimed directly at the back to to reduce flow.
the he looks like he is really struggling but he has only been struggling for the past day and the tanks been set up for 3 months,he was in another tank before that.
 

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