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Barry Tetra

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Hi,

This is my 25cm aquarium, you've probably seen it before. I wanted to try using mud I dug up from the garden without capping. The reason I dislike capping is that I hate it when the substrates mix together and create a mess.

The substrate was set up up on 7/7/26. It took me days to figure out what I wanted to plant, but on 8/7/26 I ended up planting Micranthemum sp (I'm not sure about the exact species, but it's probably M. glomeratum.) using the dry start method.

7/7/26
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Wow, those plants look great! I recently emptied out a tank I had for some local wildlife and kept a mix of used sand and some river rocks. I'd love to use those for a future project, but I don't think I'll get as satisfactory results as you.😂

Looking forward to more updates!
 
Looking great. I bet people thought you were mad when you first added a load of mud from the garden :D
 
Is this going to be a plant and shrimp set up, or a plant tank?
 
Looking great. I bet people thought you were mad when you first added a load of mud from the garden :D
Of course, people were going crazy on Reddit, at first.

Is this going to be a plant and shrimp set up, or a plant tank?
I will add freshwater planktons later.

But in the future I will scape a 60cm aquarium using same method also, for feral (wild-type looking) Poecilia reticulata, I caught from polluted canal (with red clay, silty, mud substrate)
 
I don't find the dirt tank method works for fish, even if they came from bad conditions.

In theory, mud from the garden should work, but with the lack of turnover and minimal biological processes in small tanks, any problems are magnified. I've never caught an aquarium fish in a stream with aquarium style gravel. That's true. But I've also never caught aquarium fish where the healthy stream population (other than fish temporarily trapped in dry season puddles) seemed to be more than one 3-5 cm fish per 500 or more litres of water. Generally, there is a lot more water flowing over that mud than we have in tanks.

Admittedly, in Gabon we caught invasive guppies in a 6 cm deep, 10 cm wide cement run off channel from a gas station where people washed cars... one was inside a potato chip bag - regular flavour.
 
I don't find the dirt tank method works for fish, even if they came from bad conditions.

In theory, mud from the garden should work, but with the lack of turnover and minimal biological processes in small tanks, any problems are magnified. I've never caught an aquarium fish in a stream with aquarium style gravel. That's true. But I've also never caught aquarium fish where the healthy stream population (other than fish temporarily trapped in dry season puddles) seemed to be more than one 3-5 cm fish per 500 or more litres of water. Generally, there is a lot more water flowing over that mud than we have in tanks.

Admittedly, in Gabon we caught invasive guppies in a 6 cm deep, 10 cm wide cement run off channel from a gas station where people washed cars... one was inside a potato chip bag - regular flavour.
It’s fine actually, marsh and aquatic plants do pumped down oxygen than the roots actually need, causing the excess oxygen to leak out into the soil surrounding the root tips. In asia, we do this a lot with biotope contests, outdoor patio pond, often with large Echinodorus or Cyperus spp. etc.
See Darrel’s comment in https://www.ukaps.org/forum/threads/lighting-for-emersed-echinodorus.68046/#post-674632

Here are the fish, I’m talking about. Very strange these do well in flowing water also. Honestly, I've never really cared for livebearers, but seeing this completely changed my mind, now I'm actually pretty tempted by the wild types. I’ve actually emailed to John Endler, check out iNaturalist observations, and PMed people who has seen native habitat of Poecilia species before.
 

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You're talking to someone who has seen a number of Poecilia habitats, in the US, Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala and weirdly, central Africa (for invasives from 1960s mosquito control).

I'm wondering if a key difference is your climate. I was able to breed difficult killies outdoors in tanks during our short summers. Are your tanks exposed to breezes year round?
 
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I have had as many as 13 panted tanks at one time. I had a high tech pressurized CO2 tank for about 10 years as well. I had one firm rule I would never violate- no dirt is allowed to be under other substrate of the lone substrate. It makes a mess of everything, IMO. How can one vacuum a dirt substrate?

I have used sand. I have used small sized gravel and ever larger sized gravel in planted tanks. But never have I nor will I ever use dirt. Changing a plant makes a huge mess. Trying to catch a pleco or cory off the substrate will do this as well.

I know some folks like the idea of dirt in a tank and that is fine with me, It is your tank and you should do what you want. But, I want no dirt in my tanks. I see no reason for having it. I can grow anything I want in sand or gravel, or I could as long as my high tech tank was still in use. Now I am all low or medium light plants.
 
I'm wondering if a key difference is your climate. I was able to breed difficult killies outdoors in tanks during our short summers. Are your tanks exposed to breezes year round?
It’s breezy some days. Usually, it’s either very hot and humid or raining heavily, with the occasional tropical storm. I keep fish indoors in aquariums, usually with no filter, only aeration, and sometimes none. I keep the lighting on for ~8–12 hours a day and do a water change every 2 weeks to a month.

For my outdoor pond buckets, I don't do water changes, but I top them off almost every day. There are countless native tree frog tadpoles in there, and these frogs lay eggs year-round. The substrate depends on the bucket: sometimes a mix of gravel, sand, garden soil, mud, and lava rocks, or just garden soil.

I don’t test the water, but I tend to plant very heavily from the start using random plants or floating Ceratopteris thalictroides, adding fish after 1–3 months. I use large emergent native sedges, Floscopa scandens, Lasia spinosa, Hanguana malayana, and Ceratopteris thalictroides for the outdoor buckets. Adding fertilizer is guesswork, or based on observing the growth rate/color of the emergent plants.

I’ve not always been successful however. I was about 15 years old when I joined this forum, and at that time, if you look at my post history, I tended to buy fish a lot. Into techs, filters, pumps and all that. I would go to the fish store and couldn’t walk out empty-handed, had to buy something. Then they would always catch diseases, even though I tested the water, did daily water changes, and added salt, medication, etc. Somehow I was still able to successfully breed cardinal tetras, though.

Nowadays, I think I’m much more chill. I keep monospecies tanks, and lately, only feral guppies that I caught from the canal. Completely free of disease.

I’m very picky about fish stores. This week I walked into four fish stores and I bought eight neon tetras from the last store, very clean, one of them got a lump on its mouth, and now I regret it.

I have had as many as 13 panted tanks at one time. I had a high tech pressurized CO2 tank for about 10 years as well. I had one firm rule I would never violate- no dirt is allowed to be under other substrate of the lone substrate. It makes a mess of everything, IMO. How can one vacuum a dirt substrate?

I have used sand. I have used small sized gravel and ever larger sized gravel in planted tanks. But never have I nor will I ever use dirt. Changing a plant makes a huge mess. Trying to catch a pleco or cory off the substrate will do this as well.

I know some folks like the idea of dirt in a tank and that is fine with me, It is your tank and you should do what you want. But, I want no dirt in my tanks. I see no reason for having it. I can grow anything I want in sand or gravel, or I could as long as my high tech tank was still in use. Now I am all low or medium light plants.
I simply like to copy what I’ve seen from wetland, swamps, canals etc.
 
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25/7/26: I did a 50% water change, then added a bit of fertiliser. Micranthemum (glomeratum?) is growing well but doesn’t seem to carpet. I think I might go for Helanthium tenellum carpet, then Echinodorus sp. in the middle instead, what do you think? Btw what are you using to clean the glass, I keep having problems with limestone stains.

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