So is the delphax not part of the general pulcher/schwartzi group like the elegans group? I know that some of my puchers and schwartzi are debated some. Mostly it is all I can do to generalize. My super schwartzi and pulcher variants are very simular. And one expert will tell me that a fish is in such and such a group, but will soon be put in another group. We had a discussion once because several of us had very similar fish, and it got very confusing--like the discussion CoryDad and I had with Frank and others over the fish in the elegans group, such as bilineatus, elegans and napeonsis.