Live Fish Eating In China

[tomtomtom1230]

I would disagree that this is an argument, just a slightly delicate point perhaps. Alongside a heated debate, but no full blown argument I think.

EDIT: for a misspelling.

 

[Noahs ark6]

 

[tomtomtom1230]

I dont care whether its culture or not. we dont say oh its just culture when a young girl gets tortured and mutilated because her family think she has the devil in her as has happened recently in england

Religion is a different point altogether, arguably, Religion and culture can be separated. Your statement pays no attention to animal welfare.

 

[lloyd]

I dont care whether its culture or not. we dont say oh its just culture when a young girl gets tortured and mutilated because her family think she has the devil in her as has happened recently in england

Religion is a different point altogether, arguably, Religion and culture can be separated. Your statement pays no attention to animal welfare.

thats a good point

 

[Noahs ark6]

I dont care whether its culture or not. we dont say oh its just culture when a young girl gets tortured and mutilated because her family think she has the devil in her as has happened recently in england

Religion is a different point altogether, arguably, Religion and culture can be separated. Your statement pays no attention to animal welfare.

I think he was just trying to get his point across that just if it's a part of culture, it doesn't make it right

 

[coldcazzie]

Let's keep this pleasant please people. Yes, animal welfare is a delicate topic (and we are all animal lovers here - clearly!) but it doesn't have to descend into an argument. If it does there won't be any hesitation to close the thread.

 

[tomtomtom1230]

 

[MBOU]

I dont see this as an arguement I just assumed i wasnt making my point clear enough to be understood so that the same arguement didnt keep cropping up? ok im not sure that even makes sense to me

I wasn't trying to say you personally ought to be enforcing any kind of ban im pretty sure you'd get nowhere with that on your own, though no doubt PETA would love another campaigner

To both standbysetting and mbou, i haven't "clicked my fingers and force bans on people" i'm asking why it hasn't been banned, not saying i want it to be banned (even though that would be good)

Hard to make a point when you keep contradicting what you say? Sooo...

You havent banned anything, you dont know why it isn't banned, you arent asking for it to be banned... but you think it would be nice if it was banned?

Either way... thank you for an interesting conversation because I was feeling rather bored!! Not an argument, hardly even a debate.. itsstill family safe... the only thing traumatising is the original video described on youtube

 

[tomtomtom1230]

I don't see the following statement as a contradiction:
"You haven't banned anything, you don't know why it isn't banned, you arent asking for it to be banned... but you think it would be nice if it was banned?"

It would be a contradiction if the statement read "You haven't banned anything, you don't know why it isn't banned, you aren't asking for it to be banned... But you're campaigning for it to be banned".

Seeing the good behind a ban doesn't necessarily mean that you have banned something before or know why it isn't already banned or that you're actively petitioning for a ban.

Either way... thank you for an interesting conversation because I was feeling rather bored!! Not an argument, hardly even a debate.. itsstill family safe... the only thing traumatising is the original video described on youtube

Agreed

 

[Noahs ark6]

I don't see the following statement as a contradiction:
"You haven't banned anything, you don't know why it isn't banned, you arent asking for it to be banned... but you think it would be nice if it was banned?"

It would be a contradiction if the statement read "You haven't banned anything, you don't know why it isn't banned, you aren't asking for it to be banned... But you're campaigning for it to be banned".

Seeing the good behind a ban doesn't necessarily mean that you have banned something before or know why it isn't already banned or that you're actively petitioning for a ban.

Either way... thank you for an interesting conversation because I was feeling rather bored!! Not an argument, hardly even a debate.. itsstill family safe... the only thing traumatising is the original video described on youtube

Agreed

Thank you very much for understanding where i'm coming from

 

[FishBlast]

Culture or not, it's intentional torture of an animal though. Inefficient as well. It has little to no bonus and they probably don't even eat the fish head anyway.

While I do understand that some people like to eat cats and dogs, there are some people who play cat and mouse with their food too much... Now that sickens me.

 

[lloyd]

It would be interesting to hear from anybody who has tried these live foods and have been brought up in that culture. i still think its wrong you can justify extreme cruelty just because its in part of a nations culture. its the same case with fox hunting really. alsoo mbou its a little bizare that you assume every one who is against fox hunting dont know the ins and outs of the "sport". im not argueing im just saying

 

[tomtomtom1230]

It would be interesting to hear from anybody who has tried these live foods and have been brought up in that culture. i still think its wrong you can justify extreme cruelty just because its in part of a nations culture.

I completely agree, times have to change but I'm not the one to change them. Fish (and most other living things) have to have some awareness of pain, it's part of a learning process and tells you when something shouldn't be happening ie: "fish just bit me, swim away!" or "this plant stings when i swim against it, I shall be weary wherever I see these leaves" etc - the same surely applies if a live fish is being chewed on or dunked in freezing water (ever jumped in cold water and had your breath taken away?) or being dunked into, live, to a hot oil bath.

 

[MBOU]

Torture in whose opinion though? I doubt they see it as torture in China and harsh as it sounds... they probably know more about that than we do! Though if its any comfort... i'm sure if we were all brought up with the same values... its onewe would probably all think of it as torture or i like to think so anyway...

But that goes for so many things, personally i think the human race is its own downfall and its only a matter of time. Its not just what we do to animals but what what we do to each other! All the sick and depraved things that happen makes me wonder what the point is too exhausting to think about it!

(just while im playing the devils advocate, i do still think its an apalling thing to do to any living creature and i am 100% against eating/cooking anything alive be it molluscs or lobsters or fish or any other animal the idiots on youtube shove in their mouth and eat as a laugh! My form of protest is just by refusing to take part on eat anything cooked in that way and if i was there and saw someone do it, i'd probably object assuming they understood me but thats it)

 

[tomtomtom1230]

Well said, I think.