live bearer breeding help

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Hi all i have several ballon mollys normal mollys platies and a couple of gupys. I have had bred all of these in the past but with little nolage. :huh: I have had a batch of ballon molly fry and have since set up a tank just for the babys i also have 3 baby platies. I thinks all are pregnent again, mollys and gupys but some one told me in the aquatic shop that they only take about a week and a half to have there fry????????? I dont belive this as i thouht it took at least 3 weeks or so?? How can i tell when they are ready to have there fry so i can put them in the breeding trap?? Only i have a large angle fish who will hang around to eat the babys if im not about. :-( :-( Please can any one help!
Fishy regards, Steve. :D
 
First off, welcome to the forums. :)

Platies and Swordies and Guppies and Mollies all have different lengths of pregnancies and fry numbers...so I'll list them.

Mollies:
Mollies can have fry every 4-8 weeks, approximately. Some Mollies can have over 100 fry in each pregnancy, depending on size, and age. Obviously the bigger the female, the more fry she will have. They also have big fry.

Platies:
These cute little fish can have a lot of fry too. They can have around 70-90 max fry each month, depending on if you have Maculatus or Variatus. Variatus Platies grow bigger, and can therefore have more fry. However, you do not usually get the numbers you get from Mollies or Swordtails.

Swordtails:
These are also pretty big fry producers. These fish get to bigger sizes, much like Mollies. There have been accounts of well over a hundred fry from these fish, but this of course depends on age and size. As a note, Swordtails can be pregnant for up to 2 months, so don’t worry if a month goes by and you don’t have fry!

Guppies:
These fish are probably the biggest fry producers in the common Livebearer world. Their nickname isn’t Millions Fish for nothing! They can have big amounts of fry, every 4 weeks. I’m going to say the max is 100, but it may be more.

As you can see, all your fish are different. Signs of labor usually include being moody, chasing fish away, hanging around in the plants, slightly heavier breathing, looking squarish when viewed head on, and looking a little thinner then they did before.

I'd just let the mother give birth in the fry tank, and then take her out and raise the babies in there. Breeding boxes can stress them out and cause birthing complications or even abortions. To set up your fry tank for maximum results...

Temperature is good anywhere from 75-78 F or so. I think a sponge filter is best for a fry tank, so that they can't get sucked up. It's worked well for me in the past, so I would recommend it. Otherwise, you could use a HOB, or other filter and just cover the intake with a breeder net, or Pantyhose, or something similar so they don't get sucked up.

Ornaments can be anything you want...Plants are good, as are rocks, wood and general places for them to hide. Thick plants seem to be afavorite with mine. They can disappear into there, and fool their brothers and sisters as to where they are! Sand is the best substrate. With gravel, they can sometimes get stuck in between the pieces and get crushed. Bare bottom also works, and some find it easier to clean.

Fry need good water quality, and they are sensitive so lots of water changes! Daily ones are okay, once every 2 days is okay too. Just make sure the tank is always clean. You can do water changes using a airline tubing siphon you make, or a turkey baster so you don't suck up the little babies. Acclimation to the tank is impotant too. Take a loooong time...and they'll be better off.

Also, fry need to be fed often! 3 times a day at least, more if you can. When they are first born, Tetramin Fry Food or Hikari First Bites are best for them. Baby Brine Shrimp is good suppliment to this, or you can just feed that but it's best to vary. Once they grow up a bit, you can add in finely crushed flakes and Freeze-dried, frozen, or Live foods, such as Bloodworms, Brine Shrimp, Tubifex Worms..etc. However, don't feed them just this. These are all high protein foods, and they can cause them to be constipated or get bloated. Fry are sensitive. You can also try small pieces of blanched veggies, like cucumber, zucchini, peas...etc.

Sorry if I carried on too much. :*)
 
Thanks for that i will sure help. I didnt know you could feed them veggies!! Is there any way to tell what stage a pregnant fish is at?? So i can determen rufly when they are due to have there fry??
Fishy regards, Steve. ;)
 
Well..not unless you can count from the date they last had fry until now. There's a few signs though...from our pinned info:

During her pregnancy you may have noticed various changes in her behavior in the 3 weeks she's been pregnant, to begin with in the first week there aren't many changes. Perhaps she gets harrassed by the male a little more and she becomes a bit more intolerant of other fish.

In the second week you will notice an increased appetite, the first signs of the gravid spot and a slight increase in weight; the "gravid spot" is a dark patch seen and located towards the back of the pregnant females tummy and appears as a dark/black spot. This spot is actually the frys' eyes you are seeing which as they develop, become darker and darker and take the appearance of the gravid spot on the outside of the pregnant fish at the back of tummy where the skin is thinner.
Many people use this "gravid spot" to indentify whether a fish is pregnant or not although not all livebearers show this depending on their color.

In the 3rd week the gravid spot will have become very dark and her tummy will look so pregnant like it is going to pop. Her appetite will have increased more and she will be more competitive with other fish for food and intolerant of them; she will be spending more and more time by herself around planted areas in the tank or where ever there are hiding places available. She can give birth in the 3rd week if she is expecting just a few fry but most guppys take about 4 weeks; mollys and swordtails can take up to 2-3 months if they are expecting a large amount of fry.

:thumbs:
 
Well the spotted molly sure has been geting agresive and chasing of the other fish and i can see a dark patch showing up and she has got a lot plumper than usual.
The black balloon molly has got very fat and has been harased a lot by the male and has a large white patch showing up around her bottom.
As for the guppies i can definatly see the dark patch showing up but she hasn't got any fatter yet and seems to be swimming around as normal.
I did have another little question about my femail platie she seems to have had some fry.... I managed to save 3 of them i dont know if she had anymore if she did they must have got eaten but she never seemed to look pregnant or get a dark pach so i was suprised. Is this normal?
Fishy regards, Steve. ;)
 
Sometimes they have small batches...3 may have been it, but I'm betting a few got eaten. And she may not get a gravid spot if she's a dark or bright colors...the gravid spots are usually very hard to see in those colors. Other then that, she may be stressed out...therefore she's not getting pregnant, or she's aborting. Angelfish can be stressful on Livebearers, because they can be aggressive. Also, do you have any other fish in there? But I don't know...perhaps she just gets pregnant with very small batches. :)
 
Other than the anoying angle fish that hasnt been nere her there is just guppies mollys a cople of little strippy thing?? and a couple of gorami but i dont think anything has been bothering her. In saying that i dont think the male platie has seemed that interested in her either. :lol:
Fishy regards, Steve. :)
 
Gouramis and Angelfish can both be aggressive. And depending on what the 'Little strippy things" are, they could be aggressive too. I think she may be stressed out, and just not reproducing, or perhaps getting pregnant, and being harrassed and aborting. Though you'd think it would happen with the Guppies, too....also, what's your stocking ratio...males to females?

And is there anyway you can figure out your unknown fish? Take a picture and post it, maybe?
 

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