Little Confused With New Tank

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cambojnr

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So I've had my 300l tank set up with some cycled media from my current set up running in my fluval U2 internal filter for 6 days now. The only reason I am running it in the U2 is because I don't want to have to start up and take down my external multiple times, but the only reason I put the U2 in again was because for some reason the ammonia level was at 0.25ppm in a tank that just has wood and some plants in it, so I did that to just clear up that ammonia, but after 6 days I still have 0.25ppm ammonia and 0 nitrite. Ph is 6.8 and nitrate 0ppm.

So what I don't understand is how the ammonia level is not going down when it is only 0.25ppm and has had cycled media in to tank for over 6 days now? Some one did say that with me having a low ph the ammonia might just be ammonium but that is all they said. Any ideas anyone?
 
Did you test the pH and ammonia in your tap water? What kind of test kit are you using?
 
I am a raw raw beginner but I think a logical method would be to try to isolate variables until you find the source of the acidity and the ammonia.
 
While it just may cycle untouched if you wait another week or  it might be worth isolating a few things like removing the wood and any dead/dying leaves to see if you can isolate the source.
 
Tje odds are good you are getting a false reading.
 
Firstly, plants will use ammonia, in fact they prefer it to nitrate in most cases. Plants grow, which means they need more nutrients over time. However. your steady reading indicates the same level day after day.
 
Secondly, the bacteria multiply in response to there being more ammonia or nitrite than they can use. The ammonia oxidizing bacteria (NOB), under the best conditions, can double in 7-8 hours, The nitrite ones are slower and their number is more like 12 hours (again under optimal conditions).
 
So what we see here is a situation that makes no sense. The easiest way I can explain it is this. Lets suppose you have a tank with 0 ammonia in it. Now lets presumes your goal is to get a constant reading of . 25 ppm of ammonia daily. I am betting you test at different times a day, so we are really looking at a .25 reading almost any time you test. So now lets look at this from a different perspective. How could you replicate these results if you wanted to? Could you make this situation happen intentionally? And the answer shows why that .25 ppm reading is more likely than not a false reading. It would take some very expensive and sophisticated equipment to make this happen.
 
If there is a constant low level ammonia source in the tank and you have no bacteria, the ammonia must build up higher and higher, not remain constant. If you have some number of AOB in the tank then you should see a couple of things. The first is, if you have an ammonia reading, that should then be followed by a nitrite reading. There will be nitrite present even after enough AOB have established because the nitrite oxidizing bacteria (NOB) start reproducing later and do so slower then the AOB. So the two situations we expect to see are not there.
 
Next, If you have AOB present and you have a real .25 ppm ammonia reading, the AOB should rapidly multiply to handle it so that is disappears. So the reading should become 0 in short order. But we do not see this either.
 
Finally, the are a number of things that can cause false readings on ammonia kits. This includes iron in the water or the use of ammonia detoxifiers (usually found in one's dechlor).
 
 
Q: I am using Prime® to control ammonia but my test kit says it is not doing anything, in fact it looks like it added ammonia! What is going on?
 
A: A Nessler based kit will not read ammonia properly if you are using Prime®... it will look "off scale", sort of a muddy brown (incidentally a Nessler kit will not work with any other products similar to Prime®). A salicylate based kit can be used, but with caution. Under the conditions of a salicylate kit the ammonia-Prime complex will be broken down eventually giving a false reading of ammonia (same as with other products like Prime®), so the key with a salicylate kit is to take the reading right away.
from http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/Prime.html
 
One of the major issues I see with folks, especially those new to the hobby, who are cycling tanks and testing is that they pretty much always accept the test results as accurate no matter what. But the fact is that hobby test kits are not the most accurate. Sometimes they give results that do not comport with the biology and chemistry involved. If we are not aware of these to some extent, it becomes simple to assume the test kit is right and something else is wrong.
 
So what i believe is at work here is not 25. ppm of ammonia but rather no ammonia and a false reading. Most of our kits which test in the nitrogen complex tend to be least accurate at very low or fairly high levels.
 
great info, thanks. I have since transferred my fish over with about 70% of the media, and left the other 30% in the other tank which I have just put my 2 new Angels in to quarantine in, the other fish are settling in nicely and the rummynoses already have their bright red heads back.
 

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