Listless Betta

Serbrider

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I'm a college student, and hadn't really thought about it until now... I've never owned a betta before this guy... so I'm still not completely sure what's "normal" and what's not. And at first, I thought it was just age... but... I was on another forum and noticed some other bettas... and how different in behavior they were from mine. I mean... mine has never been very active... but recently I've noticed that he's been FAR less active... and almost in pain... and weak... or something. Nothing external, no bloating, etc. He's still eating, just very lethargic. He swims really fast to get a breath of air, or to eat, and then sinks back down to the tank, with a curved body. He's not clamping his fins... but he doesn't look happy.

I found this list of questions on a blog... so I'll answer it all:

1. How long have you had your betta?
I bought him in March/April of 2011. I don't exactly remember. So around 7-8 months.

2. What is the water volume or tank size?
5 gallons

3. Is this a betta bowl or an aquarium with a filter?
5 gallon aquarium with a filter and heater.

4. Have you tested for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate? What were the results?
Not ammonia because the ammonia in this area is very low to none.
Nitrite - around 0
Nitrate - around 0

5. Have you tested for pH, kh and gh? What were the results?
pH - it was at the 8.4... which probably means it's too basic... how do I make it more acidic?
kh - it was at 300... too high...
gh - it was at the 300... too hard...

6. What is the water temperature?
Over the course of a couple days it goes between 76 and 80... mostly around 78 though.

7. How often do you change your tank water? How much water do you replace at a time?
To be honest... I haven't changed the water as often I normally used to. When I first got him, and before I got to college I changed it every two or three weeks, 50 or 70% water change.

8. Are there other fish in the tank with your betta? Which species and how many? When were they added?
No other fish. I got him a snail once... the poor thing was dead with a cracked shell in one day.

9. How often do you feed your betta? What types of food are you using? How much are you feeding each time?
I feed about five pellets. It's Aqueon Betta Food that I got at Petsmart a while back. I got it because the pellets were much smaller than what he first had, and he likes it better... and I also feed a couple freeze dried blood worms once a week... and normal feedings are twice a day with one fast day a week (generally Sundays).

10. What water additives and medications are you using? Remember to include water conditioners or salt if you’re using them.
Only water additive is Jungle Start Right water conditioner. He had some ich a few months ago and I had added some rock salt to the water... and it cleared up.



So yeah... after going through all of those... I'm guessing it's probably the water quality. What do y'all suggest I use to fix it? Should I continue with what I'm feeding?
 
I would definitely do a water change, maybe a 30-40%.
And I do personally think you are overfeeding him. 10 pellets a day is quite a bit, even if they are small. (I think I know which ones you use) If you still want to feed him twice a day, I would keep it at two or maybe three (if he looks extra hungry :)) at once.
Something that I do sometimes to cheer up a bored or old betta is completely re-vamp their tank. Put new plants, new decor in. Give him more places to explore and hide in/on! Something simple that you can do if you're short on time is one of those floating betta logs. My guy spends most of his time in there now. It was pretty cheap and you just plop it in. But a full tank rearrangement would be quite fun for your little guy.
I'd also wait to hear what some other people on the forum have to say.
Good luck!
 
I just did a water chage... it was about a 70% water change... and tomorrow I'm heading to the store to get whatever I can. Some live plants, some more gravel, and perhaps a new decoration... but yeah. The main reason I put in more than just two or three pellets is because the water current generally ends up making most of them go far away from him, so I'll keep adding until he eats one or two, or stops eating, and then I scoop them all out. Probably should have mentioned that. But he still might be eating a bit too much.

He has a leaf that sticks to the side of the tank... that he can sit on and he loves... but yeah... thanks. :)
 
Here's an album with photos. He did have some fake plants in his tank, I took them out when I changed the water, and left them out so I could take some pictures.

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Serbrider/Glorfindel/
 
I would suggest to do water change more often, maybe once a week. I dont have a filter on my 5 gallon Betta tank, but I do 60% water change on wednesdays n sundays. Maybe feed less too, I feed mine 2-3 pellets a day n 2-3 frozen bloodworm a week. Also cooked broccoli tips once a week, good for their digestive tract.

Good Luck.
 
I have a 6 gallon filtered tank (with only one betta in it) and I don't need to change it that often. Normally it's about once a month (sometimes every two months :blush:) I take out a gallon or two and replace it with fresh treated water. I test often and never have ever had a problem.
About your guy... he's pretty chunky :lol:! I would say back off the feeding a bit, and give him some regular exercise. Hold a mirror up to the side for like 5/10 minutes a day. Get him all worked up and his blood pumpin'!
In my opinion, he does look a bit on the "older" side, but that doesn't mean anything except that he's just going to be slower than he was in his younger days :D
 
I got him at Walmart (one that took EXCELLENT care of their bettas... I was very happy to see that when I got him), and he was as big as he is now. (if he's fat... maybe not fat... but at least with length and everything).

But even if he's fat and old... would that make him spend hours on end doing nothing but "sitting" on his leaf or on top of the heater? That's what I'm worried about more than anything... or when he slips and falls down to the bottom of the tank he has trouble swimming all the way back to the top, and when he does, he gets air, and then floats back down...
 
My boy Blue did that. he was old and he wasn't that active. He passed away last night though :( If you hold a mirror up to your betta and he doesn't flar or get angry, you may have a problem. Bettas will normally ignore the mirror if they are sickly, but that is my experience.
 
At first he did nothing. Then after moving the mirror a bit closer, he started to flare, then swam off of the heater he was on. Tried again, no flare, he just swam in the opposite direction. Tried again, same result, no flare and swam in the opposite direction.

:(

He's been kind of listless for the past couple of weeks... but honestly... the past day or two he's barely moved. He still swims up to eat... but... otherwise... very listless and barely moving.

I've joked about how he's a horrible fish (he was social for probably the first day I got him, then he wanted nothing to do with me... would swim to the opposite side of the tank, or flare up and try and attack the side of the tank...), and how I would love another fish... but I don't want him to die... :( :( :(
 
Should I go buy some of the special betta water from the store? The tap water has the same high pH, kh, and gh levels... could that be causing an issue?

I also got told by someone else that he might possibly have internal parasites... I was going to go get some of the PraziPro or something... think that would help any?
 
I would just do some water change for the next few days. I hope ur filter isnt too strong for the Betta. Just feed 1 pellet a day for now n soak it first for 10 mins before feeding. If he`s constipated feed Betta bite size cooked peas or Broccoli tips. I would re post this at Emergency section tho, you`ll get more urgent help there.
 
I have a baffle on the filter, and am very careful about the current. I'll do the water changes, the one pellet soaked, and pick up some peas tomorrow.

I didn't realize there was an emergency section... I'll crosspost over there too. Thanks. :)
 
I've joked about how he's a horrible fish (he was social for probably the first day I got him, then he wanted nothing to do with me... would swim to the opposite side of the tank, or flare up and try and attack the side of the tank...), and how I would love another fish... but I don't want him to die... :( :( :(
lol... oh, sorry to laugh, but I know the feeling. I got my guy from a terrible Walmart- I had never seen one like him before. Turns out he doesn't have much of a personality. He's extremely extremely active, way more so than any other betta I've ever had, but as far as intelligence goes... not so much :rolleyes:
But good luck with your guy. Maybe some fresh water changes, a diet change, and a change of scenery will help him perk up a bit. At least for a little while!
 
really sorry to hear about your boy, and hope that he picks up for you soon. All the betta owners I know do a 20 - 25% weekly water change on all their filtered tanks. Nothing beats having clean water in your tank! If a fish is ill then it is quite normal to do daily water changes. Often this is all that is needed. I'm in UK so our water safe treatments are different. I'm sure that you have the same type of meds though. Best of luck :)
 

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